>From the standpoint of CoE every spontaneous emission is just a delayed stimulated emission. If it were possible transfer energy without doing work to produce a spontaneous emission at a later time then entropy would decrease.
The spontaneous creation of energy would also decrease entropy. harry On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was hoping to contrast stimulated > emission<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulated_emission>vs spontaneous > emission <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_emission> with respect > to entropy. > > Note I'm not here talking about concentrating energy in a material (the > material as a whole goes to a lower energy state), but in a field: "photon > created in this [stimulated emission -- JAB] manner has the same > phase<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_(waves)> > , frequency <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency>, > polarization<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization_(waves)>, > and direction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direction_(geometry)> of > travel as the photons of the incident wave". This has the surface > appearance of spontaneous order. > > > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote: > >> Understanding the word "spontaneous" is essential. This means that a >> material, to which no energy is applied, suddenly decides to get hot on >> one side while getting cold on the other. This would be an example of a >> spontaneous concentration of energy. This simply does not happen. Of >> course, if energy is applied, this energy will be concentrated at the entry >> point and will try to distribute itself uniformly in the material. In the >> process, local reactions can take place that can use or produce energy. >> However, this is not a spontaneous process. >> >> The question with cold fusion is whether energy can spontaneously >> concentrate in a region to a high enough level to initiate a nuclear >> reaction. Or, for example, can enough energy concentrate in an electron to >> allow a neutron to form if the energetic election met a proton? Experience >> and the Second Law of Thermodynamics say that such a process is impossible. >> Of course, if enough laser energy is applied, anything might happen. >> However this level of energy is not applied in most experiments that >> produce LENR. >> >> I hope this issue is now clearer, James. >> >> Ed Storms >> On May 17, 2013, at 10:23 AM, James Bowery wrote: >> >> This may be a naive question, but does not stimulated emission >> "concentrate" energy in some sense? A material that is pumped to a higher >> electron orbital has that energy spatially distributed and stimulated >> emission causes it to "concentrate" in some sense. Have there been any >> successful models of the entropy of stimulated emission, or is that a >> meaningless concept? >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote: >> >>> You say this with certainty. Consequently, I assume you do not believe >>> the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This law says that all energy goes from a >>> higher to a lower level. You propose the reverse. If this were true, the >>> nano-particles would suddenly get hot for no apparent reason, which would >>> be easy to detect. I know of no evidence to show that energy is >>> spontaneously concentrated in nano-particles. Do you have such evidence? >>> Please do not use the laser studies because this is not a spontaneous >>> effect. The effect results from energy being applied from a high level >>> outside of the system. >>> >>> Ed Storms >>> >>> On May 15, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Axil Axil wrote: >>> >>> *1. Can energy be concentrated within a material by a spontaneous >>> process?* >>> >>> A nano-particle(s) can concentrate EMF power to a level of *tens of >>> terawatts/cm2*. This concentration is long lasting, that is, not pulsed. >>> >>> That is close to what the National ignition facility can do. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ed, >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Edmund Storms >>>> <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote: >>>> >>>> 1. Can energy be concentrated within a material by a spontaneous >>>>> process? >>>>> 2. Can this local energy initiate a nuclear reaction? >>>>> 3. Can application of energy from any outside source trigger LENR? >>>>> 4. Does radiation emitted from the nuclear process fuel additional >>>>> nuclear reactions? >>>>> 5. Does energetic helium (alpha) result from LENR? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have no issue with item (1). I'm just starting to pay more attention >>>> to the question of x-rays, that's all. Unless we're talking about very >>>> strong x-rays, I don't think we can conclude much if anything their >>>> presence or absence, and particularly in connection with excess heat, >>>> without putting some kind of x-ray sensitive film in the system (like they >>>> did at BARC). >>>> >>>> Apart from the small side detail concerning x-rays, I am not disputing >>>> your analysis of the likelihood of accelerating electrons to the point of >>>> triggering a new kind of electron capture. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >
