Axil, if this process actually can initiate a nuclear reaction, why do
nuclear reactions not occur when these "polaritons" are made? Why are
certain materials treated to certain very novel conditions required to
cause CF? There appears to be no connection between the conditions
required to produce polaritons and the conditions required to initiate
CF. Can you explain this disconnect?
Ed Storms
On May 17, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
A polariton is a unique and special hybrid of light and the electron.
A polariton can be stimulated into lazing, which means it can form a
Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC).
See my post: Polariton lasers.
The polariton is light that carries negative electric charge.
When polaritons are concentrated, since charge is conserved, charge
is concentrated.
The electric charge of the polariton is concentrated in the hot
spot. This type of electric charge forms a BEC EMF lattice of charge.
In Ed’s mind, he still believes that large amounts of energy are
needed to drive a particle at high speeds to overcome the coulomb
barrier.
But when negative electric charge is concentrated to such extreme
levels, the virtual photons that carry the negative electric field
from the hot spot screens the positive charge of the nucleus of the
atoms close to the hot spot to allow subatomic particles to come and
go at low energy.
This ability to concentrate charge to extreme levels is the
fundamental causation of LENR.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Edmund Storms
<[email protected]> wrote:
Lou, most experiments apply no extra energy other than temperature
or electric current. We know that the level of temperature and
current used do not and cannot initiate a nuclear reaction.
Something else is important. Yes, small local variations in energy
might occur, but these are not even close to what is required to
initiate a nuclear reaction. We are discussing the LENR effect
here, not whether small variations in energy might occur in a
material based on some novel process. That subject requires a
different discussion.
Even when high energy is applied on purpose, such as by using ion
bombardment, the energy required to get the observed rates is many
thousands of eV and the result is hot fusion, not cold fusion.
Consequently, we now know that energy cannot be spontaneously
concentrated enough to cause the observed rates and if it were
concentrated, the result would be only hot fusion.
People keep trying to suggest minor processes that are observed to
occur in materials under conditions that have no relationship to
cold fusion. These discussion, while interesting and I'm sure
informative, are not related to the subject at hand. If you want to
understand CF, you need to focus on what is known about CF.
We know that energy cannot spontaneously concentrate to levels
required to initiate a nuclear reaction. We know that when energy is
applied at the required level, hot fusion results, not cold fusion.
Nevertheless, modest extra energy applied to when LENR is already
occuring does increase the rate. This means the extra energy is not
required to initiate the process, but affects some aspect of the
process already in progress, such as diffusion. You need to explore
how energy might affect the process, not how it might start the
process.
Ed Storms
On May 17, 2013, at 11:33 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Ed,
Don't many (most) LENR experiments use outside energy stimuli?
As far as concentration, nanostructures can concentrate currents
(see [1] ), electric fields (see Axil's many postings), or magnetic
fields (see [2]) enormously, with currents and fields available from
simple lab equipment.
How is this controversial?
How is the 2nd Law violated, or even mildly challenged?
[1] "Stability of Metal Nanowires at Ultrahigh Current Densities"
http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0411058
{2] "Feynman Lectures on Physics" Vol.3, Ch.21 (p.5)
http://www.peaceone.net/basic/Feynman/V3%20Ch21.pdf
-- Lou Pagnucco
Edmund Storms wrote:
[...]
The question with cold fusion is whether energy can spontaneously
concentrate in a region to a high enough level to initiate a nuclear
reaction. Or, for example, can enough energy concentrate in an
electron to allow a neutron to form if the energetic election met a
proton? Experience and the Second Law of Thermodynamics say that such
a process is impossible. Of course, if enough laser energy is
applied, anything might happen. However this level of energy is not
applied in most experiments that produce LENR.
I hope this issue is now clearer, James.
[...]
