The tide is coming in and people are oblivious. Harry On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:26 AM, blaze spinnaker <[email protected]>wrote:
> Because the implications, if the AHE report is accurate, are overwhelming. > And while it will be net positive, there will be massive creative > destruction that will occur if the eCat is real. For example, in my > province alone huge political spending programs on education and social > welfare are being made on the promise of future tax and royalty earnings > over the next decade from our natural gas production (ng which is mostly > used for heating). > > If those revenues are about to be disrupted, this has huge implications on > our province and how we plan our infrastructure spending. 10+ Billion > dollar loans and guarantees are being made based on our current plans. > Those 10s of billions of tax dollars could potentially be wasted. > > That's just one tiny example that I have specific experience with. > Survey things on a more global basis and you'll see thousands of similar > examples worldwide. > > So to idly discuss these claims without proper verification is very > careless. > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *Edmund Storms <[email protected]> >> *Date: *June 29, 2013 8:30:35 AM MDT >> *To: *Eric <[email protected]> >> *Cc: *Edmund Storms <[email protected]> >> *Subject: **Re: [Vo]:Could Rossi add DC Power to AC Lines?* >> >> Thanks Eric! Another voice of reality and reason is heard. I agree with >> your analysis. Ross not only does not have the ability to create the >> claimed fraud, but also he does not have the incentive to create one that >> would be so easy to discover. He has a method that produces anomalous >> energy, as has been demonstrated to be possible by numerous studies. He >> has spent his own money trying to get a device to market. The device has >> been examined by competent people, but perhaps not as perfectly as anyone >> would want. Nevertheless, enough to satisfy investors, which is the only >> people who matter at this stage. >> >> The skeptics are clearly irrational on several levels. As Jones said, if >> Rossi is right, he will greatly help mankind. If Rossi is wrong, only his >> investors will be hurt. So why would any rational person work to find fault >> in what he is doing if they are not potential investors? Do these people >> not have a life they can use to actually make a contribution to society? >> Are examples of REAL fraud that has clearly harmed everyone not enough to >> get their interest? >> >> Ed >> >> On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Eric wrote: >> >> >> So I read this board all the time but have not posted as you guys are >> usually smarter than I am. >> >> However, I am an Electrical Engineer working with many other Electrical >> Engineers and the question of how easy would it be to add DC power to the >> AC lines was interesting enough that we discussed it. >> >> Here is our conclusion: >> >> Could it be done - Yes >> >> However it would be somewhat tricky and there would be at least one trick >> needed to hide it from the power analyzer. >> >> The simplest way would be the add a DC source in the neutral leg of the >> three phase before it exited the wall socket, better right at the three >> phase transformer. >> >> This would cause a DC current to flow in all phases that are connected. >> Since the third phase does not appear to be connected that would be two >> phases. >> >> The DC supply would be in series with the three phase AC so it would need >> to allow the AC to flow through it's output stage without trying the >> regulate the AC or overheating. This would not be any DC supply we are >> aware of except maybe a battery, and the issue with a battery would be that >> they have limited hours of charge and the amount of power needed to create >> a COP of 3 might be more than most batteries can supply without recharging. >> Adding a charger to maintain the battery charge would be similar to adding >> a DC power supply in that it could try to regulate the AC and it would have >> to pass some of the AC (the battery with a very low resistance would be in >> parallel so most of the AC would go through the battery) thus heating up. >> Also the battery would be passing AC current and heating up as well. >> However without running numbers on the power & current needed (too lazy I >> guess) how much heat is not known. >> >> So this could be done, though as stated this is not simple in a couple of >> ways. >> >> However, there is a much more interesting problem which would need to be >> overcome and which in my opinion rules out the concept of hiding DC power >> on the three phase AC, one which when it was pointed out to our skeptics of >> Rossi was not something they could determine a reasonable engineering work >> around to deal with. >> >> The problem is that it appears that Rossi is using a TRAIC current >> chopper to control the power in the control box. This can be seen in the >> very typical current waveform shown on the power analyzer in the appendix >> of the report issues by the evaluating committee. On the pictures of the >> analyzer are the AC voltages for all three phases and the AC currents for >> the two phases which are providing AC current. >> >> For those two phases the current shown has both a positive pulse and a >> negative pulse. The amplitude of these two pulses is reasonable equal at >> around 5 Amps. This is due to how a TRIAC behaves as it shuts off when the >> current flowing through it drops below a predetermined amount. With an AC >> waveform centered around 0 Volts the TRIAC shuts off symmetrically. If >> there was a DC current on either of those phases the TRAIC would not turn >> off in a symmetric fashion and one of the two polarities would have a much >> higher peak current while the other polarity would have a much lower peak >> current. >> >> Therefore from the data shown it is clear that if Rossi is adding a DC >> bias in power to the AC power then he had to anticipate the use of an AC >> power analyzer and create a design inside his control box to remove the DC >> power before the TRAIC, which surly could be done although the circuit I >> can think of off the top of my head would be complicated and require >> significant development. The typical TRAIC circuit would not provide this. >> >> Thus based on the data we can reasonable conclude that there is not a >> simple DC power supply added to the AC power. >> >> We of course cannot conclude that a complex system was not used, however >> based on what he has done in the past Rossi has not shown himself to be >> much of an Electrical Engineer and thus I am skeptical of his ability to >> rig up something complex enough to fool the power analyzer as to the >> currents on the polarities of the AC power. >> >> As an aside I have some experience with current measurement using current >> probes and various equipment. Given the level of the AC Analyzer and its >> specifications it is clear that it was not designed the ACCURATLY measure >> DC voltage and currents, however that does not mean that it does not do >> so...since it provided spectrum analysis it is must likely do an A/D >> sampling and an FFT on the resulting data which is really an instantaneous >> DC measurement every so many micro-seconds. The only question would be a >> accuracy of the current probe itself at lower frequencies down to DC which >> probably is not on the same order as the published specs at the power line >> frequencies, however looking at the complexity of the probes shown in the >> manufacturer's catalog I personally think that they would have included a >> DC measuring technology for such a higher end analyzer though it would not >> be accurate enough to advertise. (Of course I have been wrong before)... >> >> BTW the other way that Rossi could be transmitting DC power would be >> through the unused phase & neutral. If this is the case the DC current >> would still be returning to the DC source on neutral. This might still >> provide some issues with the TRIAC current waveforms on the other lines, >> but would seem to be simpler than a DC bias on all the AC lines. >> >> >> >> >
