Well, if you guys are so sure of this, buy your call/put options now, you'll make a lot of money..
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:17 AM, H Veeder <[email protected]> wrote: > The tide is coming in and people are oblivious. > Harry > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:26 AM, blaze spinnaker < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Because the implications, if the AHE report is accurate, are >> overwhelming. And while it will be net positive, there will be massive >> creative destruction that will occur if the eCat is real. For example, in >> my province alone huge political spending programs on education and social >> welfare are being made on the promise of future tax and royalty earnings >> over the next decade from our natural gas production (ng which is mostly >> used for heating). >> >> If those revenues are about to be disrupted, this has huge implications >> on our province and how we plan our infrastructure spending. 10+ Billion >> dollar loans and guarantees are being made based on our current plans. >> Those 10s of billions of tax dollars could potentially be wasted. >> >> That's just one tiny example that I have specific experience with. >> Survey things on a more global basis and you'll see thousands of similar >> examples worldwide. >> >> So to idly discuss these claims without proper verification is very >> careless. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> *From: *Edmund Storms <[email protected]> >>> *Date: *June 29, 2013 8:30:35 AM MDT >>> *To: *Eric <[email protected]> >>> *Cc: *Edmund Storms <[email protected]> >>> *Subject: **Re: [Vo]:Could Rossi add DC Power to AC Lines?* >>> >>> Thanks Eric! Another voice of reality and reason is heard. I agree with >>> your analysis. Ross not only does not have the ability to create the >>> claimed fraud, but also he does not have the incentive to create one that >>> would be so easy to discover. He has a method that produces anomalous >>> energy, as has been demonstrated to be possible by numerous studies. He >>> has spent his own money trying to get a device to market. The device has >>> been examined by competent people, but perhaps not as perfectly as anyone >>> would want. Nevertheless, enough to satisfy investors, which is the only >>> people who matter at this stage. >>> >>> The skeptics are clearly irrational on several levels. As Jones said, if >>> Rossi is right, he will greatly help mankind. If Rossi is wrong, only his >>> investors will be hurt. So why would any rational person work to find fault >>> in what he is doing if they are not potential investors? Do these people >>> not have a life they can use to actually make a contribution to society? >>> Are examples of REAL fraud that has clearly harmed everyone not enough to >>> get their interest? >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Eric wrote: >>> >>> >>> So I read this board all the time but have not posted as you guys are >>> usually smarter than I am. >>> >>> However, I am an Electrical Engineer working with many other Electrical >>> Engineers and the question of how easy would it be to add DC power to the >>> AC lines was interesting enough that we discussed it. >>> >>> Here is our conclusion: >>> >>> Could it be done - Yes >>> >>> However it would be somewhat tricky and there would be at least one >>> trick needed to hide it from the power analyzer. >>> >>> The simplest way would be the add a DC source in the neutral leg of the >>> three phase before it exited the wall socket, better right at the three >>> phase transformer. >>> >>> This would cause a DC current to flow in all phases that are connected. >>> Since the third phase does not appear to be connected that would be two >>> phases. >>> >>> The DC supply would be in series with the three phase AC so it would >>> need to allow the AC to flow through it's output stage without trying the >>> regulate the AC or overheating. This would not be any DC supply we are >>> aware of except maybe a battery, and the issue with a battery would be that >>> they have limited hours of charge and the amount of power needed to create >>> a COP of 3 might be more than most batteries can supply without recharging. >>> Adding a charger to maintain the battery charge would be similar to adding >>> a DC power supply in that it could try to regulate the AC and it would have >>> to pass some of the AC (the battery with a very low resistance would be in >>> parallel so most of the AC would go through the battery) thus heating up. >>> Also the battery would be passing AC current and heating up as well. >>> However without running numbers on the power & current needed (too lazy I >>> guess) how much heat is not known. >>> >>> So this could be done, though as stated this is not simple in a couple >>> of ways. >>> >>> However, there is a much more interesting problem which would need to be >>> overcome and which in my opinion rules out the concept of hiding DC power >>> on the three phase AC, one which when it was pointed out to our skeptics of >>> Rossi was not something they could determine a reasonable engineering work >>> around to deal with. >>> >>> The problem is that it appears that Rossi is using a TRAIC current >>> chopper to control the power in the control box. This can be seen in the >>> very typical current waveform shown on the power analyzer in the appendix >>> of the report issues by the evaluating committee. On the pictures of the >>> analyzer are the AC voltages for all three phases and the AC currents for >>> the two phases which are providing AC current. >>> >>> For those two phases the current shown has both a positive pulse and a >>> negative pulse. The amplitude of these two pulses is reasonable equal at >>> around 5 Amps. This is due to how a TRIAC behaves as it shuts off when the >>> current flowing through it drops below a predetermined amount. With an AC >>> waveform centered around 0 Volts the TRIAC shuts off symmetrically. If >>> there was a DC current on either of those phases the TRAIC would not turn >>> off in a symmetric fashion and one of the two polarities would have a much >>> higher peak current while the other polarity would have a much lower peak >>> current. >>> >>> Therefore from the data shown it is clear that if Rossi is adding a DC >>> bias in power to the AC power then he had to anticipate the use of an AC >>> power analyzer and create a design inside his control box to remove the DC >>> power before the TRAIC, which surly could be done although the circuit I >>> can think of off the top of my head would be complicated and require >>> significant development. The typical TRAIC circuit would not provide this. >>> >>> Thus based on the data we can reasonable conclude that there is not a >>> simple DC power supply added to the AC power. >>> >>> We of course cannot conclude that a complex system was not used, however >>> based on what he has done in the past Rossi has not shown himself to be >>> much of an Electrical Engineer and thus I am skeptical of his ability to >>> rig up something complex enough to fool the power analyzer as to the >>> currents on the polarities of the AC power. >>> >>> As an aside I have some experience with current measurement using >>> current probes and various equipment. Given the level of the AC Analyzer >>> and its specifications it is clear that it was not designed the ACCURATLY >>> measure DC voltage and currents, however that does not mean that it does >>> not do so...since it provided spectrum analysis it is must likely do an A/D >>> sampling and an FFT on the resulting data which is really an instantaneous >>> DC measurement every so many micro-seconds. The only question would be a >>> accuracy of the current probe itself at lower frequencies down to DC which >>> probably is not on the same order as the published specs at the power line >>> frequencies, however looking at the complexity of the probes shown in the >>> manufacturer's catalog I personally think that they would have included a >>> DC measuring technology for such a higher end analyzer though it would not >>> be accurate enough to advertise. (Of course I have been wrong before)... >>> >>> BTW the other way that Rossi could be transmitting DC power would be >>> through the unused phase & neutral. If this is the case the DC current >>> would still be returning to the DC source on neutral. This might still >>> provide some issues with the TRIAC current waveforms on the other lines, >>> but would seem to be simpler than a DC bias on all the AC lines. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
