If 1.6 tesla was detected at 20 cm, what would the field be at a nanometer? Field strength goes at an inverse 3 power with distance, doesn’t it? If the field can blow out your smart phone at 20 feet, how strong is it at 1 nanometer.
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:53 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > He did mention that he was thinking of direct generation of electricity by > this newly seen field, but I have not hear anything lately about it. Did > you see any discussion of magnetic field levels by Rossi? > > But 1.6 Tesla at 20 centimeters away from the box? That should have > shown up with Mats' testing when he used a loop from the center pin of his > scope to the ground. Of course, I suspect that Mats was moving the loop in > space which would find the steady field. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:47 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:NiH NAE Synopsis? > > Remember that Rossi also saw some extreme electromagnetic behavior in > his core. Does that count as some validation of what DGT is claiming? > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:44 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You are right, the energy associated with a 1.6 Tesla magnetic field of >> the spatial extent suggested by DGT would be awesome. It would be a good >> exercise for someone in the vortex to calculate the energy contained within >> a field of their hypothesized level and extent. If they speak the facts, >> it appears as though much of the energy released by their device might go >> toward supplying the magnetic field. That would be a great way to get >> around the issue of high energy radiation! :) >> >> I remain skeptical about the field levels suggested and need much >> additional evidence to eventually accept the levels stated. Could DGT have >> used the term Tesla when Gauss was the actual level measured? It might be >> that simple. >> >> Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> >> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:27 pm >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:NiH NAE Synopsis? >> >> The Nanoplasmoic electrochemists have be trying to understand hot >> spots for decades and are looking for something these hot stops are good >> for. For example, they are trying to build a polariton laser or quantum >> computer with them. >> >> When their Nanoplasmoic probe chemicals they use to measure the power >> of the hot spot burn up, they just give up on those powerful nanoantenna >> configurations. This places a limit on the power of the solitons that they >> can study. We understand that the solitons can grow very powerful almost >> without limit. The 1.6 tesla power level revealed by DGT is an indication >> of this extreme power level. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:07 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I agree that a resonant condition occurs at the size and temperatures >>> that you point out, but it is less clear that any exact dimension will be >>> important to the operation of the reactors. Spheres in open space will >>> exhibit a resonance that is mathematically well defined and no doubt can be >>> adjusted to 137 C in the ideal case. But, when you pack these together is >>> close proximity, it is doubtful that the same frequency of resonance >>> occurs. Electric or magnetic coupling between the nearby particles must >>> interact to some great degree. And, metallic connections at random >>> locations has to reap havoc with the resonances. For these reasons, I have >>> a difficult time believing that this effect is important in these devices. >>> >>> The Curie temperature, on the other hand, appears to be fairly well >>> established. This sets up a particular temperature point where magnetic >>> behavior changes rapidly. And, if what DGT says is correct about the >>> enormous magnetic fields (?) they have seen, then something magnetic in >>> nature must be important. I can not emphasize enough how important the >>> large field will be toward understanding the system behavior if it in fact >>> exists. This possibility must wait until further proof is obtained since >>> it seems beyond belief. >>> >>> DGT owes us some evidence which I hope is coming soon. >>> >>> Speaking of DGT, has anyone seen a schedule that defines when DGT will >>> release the data stored during the latest public demonstration? I have >>> some important questions that it might help answer. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> >>> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:46 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:NiH NAE Synopsis? >>> >>> *I*n physics, Planck's law describes the amount of energy emitted by >>> a black body in radiation of a certain wavelength (i.e. the spectral >>> radiance of a black body). The law is named after Max Planck, who >>> originally proposed it in 1900. The law was the first to accurately >>> describe black body radiation, and resolved the ultraviolet catastrophe. It >>> is a pioneer result of modern physics and quantum theory. >>> >>> For a given black body temperature, the wavelength at the peak of the >>> Planck curve is called maximum lambda. >>> >>> This value gives a fell for the minimum relative size that an >>> radiating object must be to optimally support photons associated with a >>> give temperature. >>> >>> Like and antenna, a particle of nickel will best support the photons >>> at a given temperature if the particle size is the adjusted to the ideal >>> size. >>> >>> For a temperature of 700k or about 400C, the Lambda(max) must be 4.14 >>> microns. >>> >>> This is why Rossi uses very large micro sized nickel particles in his >>> reactor. Nano sized particles will not properly support the ideal photon >>> wavelength needed to force protons into quantum mechanical coherence. >>> >>> Rossi undoubtedly found this optimal size through trial and error but >>> science is easier. >>> >>> For a Planck function Infrared Radiance Calculator see the following: >>> >>> >>> https://www.sensiac.org/external/resources/calculators/infrared_radiance_calculator.jsf%3bjsessionid=D08873244D6904EE654DBCDF0391F95E >>> >>> 137C = *410.15* Kelvins. >>> >>> >>> Putting this number into the temperature field of the calculator, we >>> get a resonance particle size of 7.07 um. >>> >>> >>> If the raw particle size is 5 um, if we add a nanowire cover with >>> wires about 1 micron in length, then we are at the blackbody resonance >>> particle size. >>> >>> >>> This is the maximum size of all the nickel micro powder. >>> >>> >>> As the temperature of the nickel powder increases, the smaller >>> particles will reach blackbody resonance. >>> >>> >>> To start the Ni/H reactor up, we need some very big micro powder to get >>> it going. >>> >>> PS: I will bet you that a Ni/H reactor that contains only Nano powder >>> will not work well. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:15 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Don't the particle sizes and shapes vary all over the map in a normal >>>> mass of the material? This would defeat any process that depends upon the >>>> size being exact. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> >>>> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:55 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:NiH NAE Synopsis? >>>> >>>> This resonance must be related to maximum size of the nickel >>>> micro-particles as related to blackbody resonance. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 137C must be an experimentally well measured parameter. It must also >>>>> correspond to a sharp resonance condition. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:44 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Axil, >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect that you are reading too much into the temperature >>>>>> measurement. The motion of the individual atoms varies over quite a >>>>>> range >>>>>> at a given temperature. For this reason, I am inclined to believe that >>>>>> Curie temperature might be important if magnetic effects are a key, but >>>>>> any >>>>>> special resonance at 137C seems to be a long stretch. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not entirely evident that the Debye temperature matters in >>>>>> this situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:49 pm >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:NiH NAE Synopsis? >>>>>> >>>>>> *The magnetic nature of nickel would interfere with the >>>>>> production of nano-vortex anapole fields.* >>>>>> * * >>>>>> * * >>>>>> *The ability of nickel to affect nano-magnetism must be removed by >>>>>> getting nickel above the Curie temperature.* >>>>>> * * >>>>>> * * >>>>>> * * >>>>>> *Dipole oscillations are the powerhouse that feeds energy into >>>>>> vortex current production. The stronger the Dipole oscillations become, >>>>>> the >>>>>> stronger that the vortex currents will become.* >>>>>> * * >>>>>> * * >>>>>> *Through the application of heat, the nickel micro particles power >>>>>> the LENR process through stimulating Dipole oscillations. This heat >>>>>> energy is transferred to the dipoles most efficiently at or above the >>>>>> Debye >>>>>> temperature.* >>>>>> * * >>>>>> * * >>>>>> *Also, 137C is the blackbody resonant frequency for micro-particles >>>>>> at about 6 microns. * >>>>>> * * >>>>>> * * >>>>>> * * >>>>>> *I bet when Defkalion and Rossi add the nanowire covering to the 5 >>>>>> micron nickel micro-powder, the size of those processed particles will be >>>>>> ideal for a 137C blackbody resonance.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM, James Bowery <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Does that favor the Debye temperature or Curie point view of the >>>>>>> NAE? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given your prior posting of this video: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFc4wriBvE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would seem to point to the Debye temperature. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Axil Axil <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *At the heart of the Nanoplasmonic theory of LENR, hot spots >>>>>>>> produce nano-sized magnetic vortexes that disrupt nuclear structure. >>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM, James Bowery >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To put things into perspective, the Curie point and not the >>>>>>>>>> Debye temperature of nickel seems to be the most important parameter >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> gain in Ni-H. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK, so now we have: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nickel nanomagnetic scale (sub 10nm) particles heated at least >>>>>>>>> to Ni's Debye temperature, if not its Curie point, and infused with >>>>>>>>> hydrogen -- the mixture being triggered to a NAE by ionizing the >>>>>>>>> hydrogen. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Areas of clarification needed: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Should "hydrogen" read "protium (ie: Hydrogen-1)"? >>>>>>>>> - Should there be some characteristic of the ionizing energy >>>>>>>>> specified so that the "infused" "hydrogen" is properly ionized? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM, James Bowery >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:38 PM, James Bowery < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Erratum: Debay -> Debye >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:38 PM, James Bowery < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nickel nanoparticles heated to Ni's Debay temperature and >>>>>>>>>>>> infused with hydrogen -- the mixture being triggered to a NAE by >>>>>>>>>>>> ionizing >>>>>>>>>>>> the hydrogen. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Areas of clarification needed:... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Is there a technical name that can be given to the >>>>>>>>>>>> geometry of the "nanoparticles" that would, for example, tell >>>>>>>>>>>> us where in >>>>>>>>>>>> the "nano" range the size of these particles should sit? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Nanomagnetic scale" (sub 10nm) is a term that may qualify. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> See pages 14-16 of: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://ecatsite.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/energy-localization-no8-11_n3.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
