*http://prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/2009/097874.pdf*
* * * * *The results of transmutation from the proton 21 experiments have been replicated by Sandia National Laboratories* * * * * * * *See* * * * * *4. CONCLUSIONS* * * *"The Proton-21 Laboratory in the Ukraine has been publishing results on shock-induced transmutation of several elements, including Cobalt 60 into non-radioactive elements. We have developed and exercised a process to detect possible shock-wave-induced transmutation products and to unambiguously validate or invalidate the claims in collaboration with the Proton-21 Laboratory. We found elevated and localized concentrations of impurity elements like the Ukrainian’s report in our sample, but all our results are consistent with the ejection of impurities that were not in solution in our alloy, were deposited from the cathode during irradiation, or could be from surface contamination although the surface contamination cannot be validated. We are positioned to test samples from Proton-21 if funded to do so" * * * * * *I would think that Sandia labs would have tried with all their power to eliminate all contamination that concerned them as expert experimentalists but they were not able to so: “although the surface contamination cannot be validated”. But they still were unable to accept the results of the experiments.* * * *You can show a person the results of an experiment and they can even replicate them, but you cannot expect them to believe their own eyes.* * * *I understand that you cannot accept the experimental results provided by Ken Shoulders and Proton 21. Just like Sandia, it is human nature to only accept information that supports your existing mindset. * * * * * * * * * * * On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>wrote: > Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: > > Experimentation that has been done by Ken Shoulders shows transmutation >> in the wake of the contact of an EV with a metal surface. No hydrogen was >> used in this experimentation. >> > > This is another experiment that has not been independently replicated. It > might not be real. > > If Shoulders or the Proton 21 claims are replicated then you would have > stronger grounds for saying that cold fusion may involve materials other > than hydrides. It is premature to say that now. > > Oriani's experiment might also call into question the need for hydrogen, > but the only attempt to replicate that, reported at ICC18, failed. So the > claim is probably wrong as far as we can tell. > >> > > >> Apparently, the deuterium meme is strong in Jed. >> > > It is not a "meme." It is an experimentally established fact. This is > experimental science, not theory or handwaving. One-off experiments are not > credible until they have been replicated. The term "meme" is overused these > days. > > - Jed > >
