On Feb 2, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:

These discussions about "suppressing" gamma rays and neutrons have been around since the beginning of cold fusion.

It is true that some people in this thread have been arguing about the suppression of MeV-range gammas. Like you say, this sounds pretty far-out. Better not to have powerful gammas in the first place. What is more interesting in the recent discussion is whether p+Ni fusion is ruled out by the evidence, and that has been what has absorbed a lot of our attention. If low-level penetrating radiation is not allowed (e.g., photons in the keV range, some of which might be considered "gammas"), then p+Ni is contraindicated, because everything we know about p+Ni says that it will result in short- lived radioisotopes and associated emissions after it takes place, for a period of hours or days. If low-level radiation is allowed, then p+Ni is not necessarily ruled out. That is the heart of much of the recent thread.

Jones wants to say that there is no penetrating radiation whatsoever in NiH. He no doubt has his reversible proton fusion in mind. Ed wants to say that what low-level radiation there is above a very low threshold is due to side channels (if I have understood him). He has his hydroton in mind. I've argued that the evidence bears otherwise on both counts, and that low-level penetrating radiation is both seen and is perhaps inherent to NiH cold fusion and not due to a side channel. Although this discussion might look like the usual discussion about MeV gammas, really it has been a discussion about short-lived radioisotopes that follow upon whatever it is that cold fusion consists of. So we've been having a discussion that is different than the usual "gamma" discussion. Rossi's terminology confuses things, because he appears to refer to all photons in his system as gammas.

Eric, I do not think all the radiation is from side channels. Most is from the reaction producing energy. A little is from transmutation, but not the Rossi kind because it does not occur, and a very little is from hot fusion produced by fractofusion.

Ed Storms

Eric


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