Hi Tim (and all) - and thanks Alex, glad that helped. I use that as well. And you can actually get Keychain to create these for you as well. There’s a few ways to access an internal Password Assistant that can help generate these.
For example, if you go to System Preferences - Users & Groups. Click on “Change Password”. Just to the right of “New Password” (which you won’t change), you’ll see a little key icon. Click on that. This will open the internal Password Assistant. Under “Type” you set this to Memorable, then can change the Length of the password as required. (e.g. 12 characters, 18 characters, etc). Each time you click “Memorable” it will create a new password for you, which you can Copy and Paste into programs or places you want to use it. This then can help you create ones to use. Then just close out of System Preferences when finished without changing anything. I’m not sure how I did it, but I actually have the Password Assistant as a “stand alone” Application. I think when you could find it and use it manually. So it sits in my Applications folder and I use it a lot to generate memorable passwords for things and clients where needed. Now a days I think the Password Assistant is actually buried deep away so you can’t find it “manually”. Shame, as I find it very handy to just open up the Application and use it. But that’s another good way to generate some “useful” passwords as well. A handy little Application. All this talk of passwords reminded me of a (bad) joke,…. An IT Person was helping a client and asked for their computer password. They replied “ it’s SnowWhiteDocGrumpyHappySleepyDopeyBashfulSneezy” With a puzzled look the IT person queried,…oh? that’s a,…..strange,…password?? To which the person replied,…well the password hint said I needed 1 large character and 7 small characters,….. 😀😂😀 Fair warning,..I did say it was a BAD joke,…lol :) Enjoy all! I’m off to hide now,…. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> **For everything Apple** NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be requested. > On 5 Dec 2018, at 1:07 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am with you on that one Tim. > >> On 5 Dec 2018, at 5:02 am, Tim Law <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Alex, >> >> In a blog posting, the owner of 1Password talked about the benefits to the >> user of using normal words rather than a collection of wild letters and >> numbers. If you ever have to physically enter a password it is much easier >> to write “sung.7Persuade.pushy” than a random string and apparently just as >> secure as long as the words would never normally appear together. I’ve >> added in the 7 and the upper case P and it creates a highly secure password >> that shows all green on those little slider indicators. >> >> Regards >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2 >> >> On 4 Dec 2018, at 11:35 pm, Alex <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Daniel, that was very helpful on a very vexatious issue. >>> >>> Couple queries tho’. Do you have any opinion on LastPass? I have used it >>> in a Windows environment. >>> >>> And, if one is to use a password management programme, would it then be >>> advisable to set up random letters, numbers & characters as passwords >>> rather than the usual passwords one makes up? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Alex Novakovic >>> >>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 12:29 pm, Daniel Kerr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Pat >>>> >>>> If you enter the AppleID (which is also used for iCloud, as they are >>>> generally one and the same thing), more then 3 times, then yes it will >>>> generally want you to reset it. >>>> You can do this by a few options - some are automated, and don’t require >>>> calling Apple. >>>> If you have access to the email address, you can request an email that >>>> will step you through resetting your password. >>>> Generally if I want to “Test” a password for a client to see if it’s >>>> correct or not, then I will use the “main” Apple site - applied.apple.com >>>> By putting in the email address and password then it will ensure if it’s >>>> correct or not. If it logs in - the password is correct. If it advises it >>>> isn’t correct then a few tries before the option of resetting it (normally >>>> via the email option). It’s very rare to have to call Apple for this at >>>> all I find. It’s all automated. >>>> >>>> *Generally* (and I use this term lightly) the computer password will be >>>> different to the AppleID password. Though,…in some of the later systems, >>>> this can be reset by the same AppleID. >>>> In System Preferences - Users & Groups - “username” (on the left hand >>>> side). On the right hand side there is a tick box that says “Allow user to >>>> reset password using Apple ID). If this is ticked, then the AppleID can be >>>> used to change the computer password. And then (generally) these are one >>>> and the same. >>>> I personally prefer to keep these different, so the computer password is >>>> completely different to my AppleID. (for security reasons). >>>> >>>> This could be where (if you had ticked) some of the issue could have >>>> happened in your last post to the list where you went through with Apple >>>> resetting the password. >>>> (I probably would have used the Terminal thing as a last resort, as yes it >>>> resets Keychain and this makes a whole other issue where passwords stored >>>> there are a) lost of b) almost non-retrievable. And even if retrieved via >>>> a TimeMachine backup they will be locked away under the “original” >>>> password. >>>> >>>> As Peter has mentioned unfortunately these days everything has to be a lot >>>> more secure. The flip side to this would be a lot more hacking of details, >>>> a lot more social engineering of personal details and a lot more user data >>>> out in the open. So with things like 2-factor authentication, recovery via >>>> email of forgotten details, and stronger passwords Apple (and others) are >>>> doing as much as they can do to protect personal data. >>>> I’d personally prefer it this way, then people having access to my data. I >>>> like the security of 2-factor authentication knowing that even if someone >>>> got my AppleID password they can’t access it without physical access to my >>>> iPhone. (which is also locked, and 10 wrong attempts will just wipe my >>>> device). I’d rather know my data is as secure as possible and harder for >>>> others to try and get then a lot less security and easier ways to try and >>>> get my data. (only have to look at the 4 years that yahoo accounts got >>>> hacked for example with no notification to their users). And we see a lot >>>> more of these where some companies seem to be a bit less “slack” about >>>> some things, and more personal data gets “hacked”. >>>> (I know where two of my spams come from as they come to two email address >>>> I used for Dropbox and Adobe. So I know those two accounts that get >>>> spammed where two email addresses I used where “taken” in a list from both >>>> of those companies.). The spam comes addresses to those two email >>>> addresses which I then went and closed off and changed. >>>> This was another interesting site where I could check which “places” my >>>> email address may have been taken from - https://haveibeenpwned.com >>>> This came from an article I read ages ago here - >>>> https://www.businessinsider.com.au/new-email-scam-uses-old-password-fake-porn-threats-webcam-video-bitcoin-2018-7?r=US&IR=T >>>> >>>> The downside to all the security obviously is having a lot more >>>> (different) passwords. This is where things like Keychain Access, >>>> 1Password etc come in very handy to store all the passwords in for me. >>>> (even things like the WAMUG mailing list, and the WAMUG committee mailing >>>> list I have stored to access so I can look after the behind the scenes >>>> things for it. And a lot more passwords linked to different things for >>>> even those that need passwords as well). >>>> So without having to remember them all, that’s where the above programs >>>> become “life savers”. (and I have them stored in 2 different programs >>>> should one “fail”). >>>> The other I’ve set it up for clients who may not want to use the “written >>>> down password” books is to have a locked Excel spreadsheet. Lock it with a >>>> main password and give the file a name that doesn’t say “Passwords” (e.g. >>>> Wine List, Book List, My Boring Notes file). Then they put all their >>>> passwords in that. >>>> Others write them down in books obviously as well. Not one I tend to >>>> recommend as if someone gets the book they have all the passwords. But it >>>> depends on how clients are worried about their data really. Some might not >>>> have things they are worried about. >>>> >>>> But back to your topic,..if you have an AppleID, then you would have an >>>> iCloudID - given they are both the same. >>>> If you use the above link then you can at least check it and see if it >>>> logs you in or not. Then you know at least if you have those details for >>>> that AppleID/iCloud. >>>> >>>> Apologies to others for the long post,..was trying to cover a lot in one >>>> email,….lol. >>>> >>>> Hope all that info helps. >>>> Kind regards >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone XS >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Daniel Kerr >>>> MacWizardry >>>> >>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>> >>>> >>>> **For everything Apple** >>>> >>>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion >>>> and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of >>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form >>>> of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any >>>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, >>>> that permission by the author be requested. >>>> >>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 11:15 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Peter and Susan, >>>>> >>>>> One thing I read while I was thrashing around trying to fix things, was >>>>> that if you enter a password incorrectly 2 times, you have to (I forget >>>>> the exact words) sort it out with Apple (which isn’t easy to do, as you >>>>> are only given a limited number of topics that you can choose from.) >>>>> >>>>> But for now, everything is working reasonably well, but I still haven’t >>>>> tackled iCloud. Will do, soon. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 08:03, Peter Hinchliffe <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2018, at 11:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a functioning password to open the computer and other ones to >>>>>>> send and receive mail. But I have just discovered that Apple has a >>>>>>> clutch of others that I don’t know. I have never voluntarily used >>>>>>> iCloud, so as far as I am concerned, it has no password. How do I find >>>>>>> out how to find it or create it, because apparently I need it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks like I may need other passwords for functions about which I >>>>>>> have no idea. Security gone mad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was just trying to transfer something to one of my external disks. >>>>>>> Couldn’t do it by drag and drop without the damn password. The one that >>>>>>> opens my computer used to do it, but it was rejected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope someone can help. >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> As frustrating as all this is, it’s an unfortunate reality in today’s >>>>>> computing world that you must keep track of your accounts and passwords. >>>>>> The only way to avoid this is to turn off all access to the internet, >>>>>> which has now become almost impossible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whether or not you are using iCloud (and if you use a Mac you probably >>>>>> are whether you think so or not) you are actually being asked for the >>>>>> password for your Apple ID. Your Apple ID is generally just your regular >>>>>> email address. Many people go through the motions of creating an Apple >>>>>> ID when they first set up a new Mac or upgrade their OS, then either >>>>>> forget about it or don’t realise the significance of what they’ve been >>>>>> asked to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> In any event, if you don’t know what your Apple ID password is, you’ll >>>>>> have to reset it. The most direct way to do this is simply to go to >>>>>> System Preferences on your Mac and choose iCloud. You will be asked to >>>>>> type a password. If you type something and it’s not recognised after 3 >>>>>> attempts you will see a link appear which you can click if you “can’t >>>>>> remember your password”. 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