Thank you Ronni. I shall give it some thought. All my passwords are also printed on a sheet that is well hidden in my home. Just in case something should upset 1Password.
I must be a Failsafe Nuttter ! > On 3 Dec 2018, at 4:44 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I can understand your concern Stephen. > My reasons below why I feel as confident as you can when dealing with > security online using 1Password. > > Everything you store in 1Password is protected by a Master Password that only > you know... > 1Password is a ‘Local Password Manager’. Local password managers work > similarly to the online ones. They have the similar password-generating, auto > form-filling and secure notes features. > The difference though is they just save the encrypted password database on > your computer, rather than on the web. > > You can sync the database across computers using Dropbox (which is what I do) > but that brings back that risk of cloud storage. On the other hand, you still > have multiple layers of security: a hacker would need to first break into > your Dropbox account (hard if you have two-factor authentication set up) and > then also hack into your encrypted password database. > The chances of this happening are probably less than losing your laptop. > > Kind regards, > Ronni > > Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB > > > On 3 Dec 2018, at 4:12 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Perhaps I am being over cautious. >> It does make me nervous storing those passwords electronically. >> >> Would like to hear your take on that though ? >> >>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 3:06 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Stephen, >>> >>> I have used and recommended 1Password for years, I think from when it was >>> first released. >>> ALL my passwords including all software purchased details and passwords are >>> stored in 1Password. >>> As a matter of interest, why don’t you have your Apple ID, Banking, and >>> PayPal stored in 1Password? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Ronni >>> >>> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >>> >>> >>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 2:37 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Pat. >>>> >>>> I can thoroughly recommend buying 1Password for your Mac. >>>> I have used it for a few years and could not get by without it. >>>> >>>> All my passwords (except Apple ID, Banking and Paypal) are stored in there. >>>> All I have to remember is my Master Password. >>>> I also keep all my Application Keys and other details there. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 12:31 pm, Daniel Kerr <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> oops sorry the Apple link should have been appleID.apple.com >>>>> <http://appleid.apple.com/> >>>>> Silly auto correct! >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> Daniel >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone XS >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Daniel Kerr >>>>> MacWizardry >>>>> >>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au <http://macwizardry.com.au/>> >>>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au <http://www.macwizardry.com.au/>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **For everything Apple** >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion >>>>> and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of >>>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form >>>>> of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any >>>>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, >>>>> that permission by the author be requested. >>>>> >>>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 12:29 pm, Daniel Kerr <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> If you enter the AppleID (which is also used for iCloud, as they are >>>>>> generally one and the same thing), more then 3 times, then yes it will >>>>>> generally want you to reset it. >>>>>> You can do this by a few options - some are automated, and don’t require >>>>>> calling Apple. >>>>>> If you have access to the email address, you can request an email that >>>>>> will step you through resetting your password. >>>>>> Generally if I want to “Test” a password for a client to see if it’s >>>>>> correct or not, then I will use the “main” Apple site - >>>>>> applied.apple.com <http://applied.apple.com/> >>>>>> By putting in the email address and password then it will ensure if it’s >>>>>> correct or not. If it logs in - the password is correct. If it advises >>>>>> it isn’t correct then a few tries before the option of resetting it >>>>>> (normally via the email option). It’s very rare to have to call Apple >>>>>> for this at all I find. It’s all automated. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Generally* (and I use this term lightly) the computer password will be >>>>>> different to the AppleID password. Though,…in some of the later systems, >>>>>> this can be reset by the same AppleID. >>>>>> In System Preferences - Users & Groups - “username” (on the left hand >>>>>> side). On the right hand side there is a tick box that says “Allow user >>>>>> to reset password using Apple ID). If this is ticked, then the AppleID >>>>>> can be used to change the computer password. And then (generally) these >>>>>> are one and the same. >>>>>> I personally prefer to keep these different, so the computer password is >>>>>> completely different to my AppleID. (for security reasons). >>>>>> >>>>>> This could be where (if you had ticked) some of the issue could have >>>>>> happened in your last post to the list where you went through with Apple >>>>>> resetting the password. >>>>>> (I probably would have used the Terminal thing as a last resort, as yes >>>>>> it resets Keychain and this makes a whole other issue where passwords >>>>>> stored there are a) lost of b) almost non-retrievable. And even if >>>>>> retrieved via a TimeMachine backup they will be locked away under the >>>>>> “original” password. >>>>>> >>>>>> As Peter has mentioned unfortunately these days everything has to be a >>>>>> lot more secure. The flip side to this would be a lot more hacking of >>>>>> details, a lot more social engineering of personal details and a lot >>>>>> more user data out in the open. So with things like 2-factor >>>>>> authentication, recovery via email of forgotten details, and stronger >>>>>> passwords Apple (and others) are doing as much as they can do to protect >>>>>> personal data. >>>>>> I’d personally prefer it this way, then people having access to my data. >>>>>> I like the security of 2-factor authentication knowing that even if >>>>>> someone got my AppleID password they can’t access it without physical >>>>>> access to my iPhone. (which is also locked, and 10 wrong attempts will >>>>>> just wipe my device). I’d rather know my data is as secure as possible >>>>>> and harder for others to try and get then a lot less security and easier >>>>>> ways to try and get my data. (only have to look at the 4 years that >>>>>> yahoo accounts got hacked for example with no notification to their >>>>>> users). And we see a lot more of these where some companies seem to be a >>>>>> bit less “slack” about some things, and more personal data gets “hacked”. >>>>>> (I know where two of my spams come from as they come to two email >>>>>> address I used for Dropbox and Adobe. So I know those two accounts that >>>>>> get spammed where two email addresses I used where “taken” in a list >>>>>> from both of those companies.). The spam comes addresses to those two >>>>>> email addresses which I then went and closed off and changed. >>>>>> This was another interesting site where I could check which “places” my >>>>>> email address may have been taken from - https://haveibeenpwned.com >>>>>> <https://haveibeenpwned.com/> >>>>>> This came from an article I read ages ago here - >>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com.au/new-email-scam-uses-old-password-fake-porn-threats-webcam-video-bitcoin-2018-7?r=US&IR=T >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com.au/new-email-scam-uses-old-password-fake-porn-threats-webcam-video-bitcoin-2018-7?r=US&IR=T> >>>>>> >>>>>> The downside to all the security obviously is having a lot more >>>>>> (different) passwords. This is where things like Keychain Access, >>>>>> 1Password etc come in very handy to store all the passwords in for me. >>>>>> (even things like the WAMUG mailing list, and the WAMUG committee >>>>>> mailing list I have stored to access so I can look after the behind the >>>>>> scenes things for it. And a lot more passwords linked to different >>>>>> things for even those that need passwords as well). >>>>>> So without having to remember them all, that’s where the above programs >>>>>> become “life savers”. (and I have them stored in 2 different programs >>>>>> should one “fail”). >>>>>> The other I’ve set it up for clients who may not want to use the >>>>>> “written down password” books is to have a locked Excel spreadsheet. >>>>>> Lock it with a main password and give the file a name that doesn’t say >>>>>> “Passwords” (e.g. Wine List, Book List, My Boring Notes file). Then they >>>>>> put all their passwords in that. >>>>>> Others write them down in books obviously as well. Not one I tend to >>>>>> recommend as if someone gets the book they have all the passwords. But >>>>>> it depends on how clients are worried about their data really. Some >>>>>> might not have things they are worried about. >>>>>> >>>>>> But back to your topic,..if you have an AppleID, then you would have an >>>>>> iCloudID - given they are both the same. >>>>>> If you use the above link then you can at least check it and see if it >>>>>> logs you in or not. Then you know at least if you have those details for >>>>>> that AppleID/iCloud. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apologies to others for the long post,..was trying to cover a lot in one >>>>>> email,….lol. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope all that info helps. >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone XS >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Daniel Kerr >>>>>> MacWizardry >>>>>> >>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au <http://macwizardry.com.au/>> >>>>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au <http://www.macwizardry.com.au/>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **For everything Apple** >>>>>> >>>>>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion >>>>>> and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of >>>>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form >>>>>> of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any >>>>>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, >>>>>> that permission by the author be requested. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 11:15 am, Pat <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Peter and Susan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One thing I read while I was thrashing around trying to fix things, was >>>>>>> that if you enter a password incorrectly 2 times, you have to (I forget >>>>>>> the exact words) sort it out with Apple (which isn’t easy to do, as you >>>>>>> are only given a limited number of topics that you can choose from.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But for now, everything is working reasonably well, but I still haven’t >>>>>>> tackled iCloud. Will do, soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 08:03, Peter Hinchliffe <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2018, at 11:31 am, Pat <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a functioning password to open the computer and other ones to >>>>>>>>> send and receive mail. But I have just discovered that Apple has a >>>>>>>>> clutch of others that I don’t know. I have never voluntarily used >>>>>>>>> iCloud, so as far as I am concerned, it has no password. How do I >>>>>>>>> find out how to find it or create it, because apparently I need it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It looks like I may need other passwords for functions about which I >>>>>>>>> have no idea. Security gone mad. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was just trying to transfer something to one of my external disks. >>>>>>>>> Couldn’t do it by drag and drop without the damn password. The one >>>>>>>>> that opens my computer used to do it, but it was rejected. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope someone can help. >>>>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As frustrating as all this is, it’s an unfortunate reality in today’s >>>>>>>> computing world that you must keep track of your accounts and >>>>>>>> passwords. The only way to avoid this is to turn off all access to the >>>>>>>> internet, which has now become almost impossible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Whether or not you are using iCloud (and if you use a Mac you probably >>>>>>>> are whether you think so or not) you are actually being asked for the >>>>>>>> password for your Apple ID. Your Apple ID is generally just your >>>>>>>> regular email address. Many people go through the motions of creating >>>>>>>> an Apple ID when they first set up a new Mac or upgrade their OS, then >>>>>>>> either forget about it or don’t realise the significance of what >>>>>>>> they’ve been asked to do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In any event, if you don’t know what your Apple ID password is, you’ll >>>>>>>> have to reset it. The most direct way to do this is simply to go to >>>>>>>> System Preferences on your Mac and choose iCloud. You will be asked to >>>>>>>> type a password. If you type something and it’s not recognised after 3 >>>>>>>> attempts you will see a link appear which you can click if you “can’t >>>>>>>> remember your password”. If you click that a message will be sent to >>>>>>>> your email address showing you the steps to follow to create a new >>>>>>>> password. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer Services >>>>>>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer >>>>>>>> Perth, Western Australia >>>>>>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482 Mob 0403 046 948 >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Stephen Chape >>>> >>>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml >>> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml>> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml >>> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>> >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>> >> >> >> Regards, >> Stephen Chape >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml >> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml>> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml >> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> Regards, Stephen Chape
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