For my twenty cents worth. I use Apple passwords for something like a social club but not for banking or broking. But I suspect even that’s over cautious as the master pass is the one to access the Apple device. Once in the Mac or iPad I should only need take care not to use a stranger’s wifi to bank. Cheers Marcus
Marcus Harris 75 Apple iPhone7 > On 3 Dec 2018, at 4:12 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected]> wrote: > > Perhaps I am being over cautious. > It does make me nervous storing those passwords electronically. > > Would like to hear your take on that though ? > >> On 3 Dec 2018, at 3:06 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello Stephen, >> >> I have used and recommended 1Password for years, I think from when it was >> first released. >> ALL my passwords including all software purchased details and passwords are >> stored in 1Password. >> As a matter of interest, why don’t you have your Apple ID, Banking, and >> PayPal stored in 1Password? >> >> Kind regards, >> Ronni >> >> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >> >> >>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 2:37 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Pat. >>> >>> I can thoroughly recommend buying 1Password for your Mac. >>> I have used it for a few years and could not get by without it. >>> >>> All my passwords (except Apple ID, Banking and Paypal) are stored in there. >>> All I have to remember is my Master Password. >>> I also keep all my Application Keys and other details there. >>> >>> >>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 12:31 pm, Daniel Kerr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> oops sorry the Apple link should have been appleID.apple.com >>>> Silly auto correct! >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone XS >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Daniel Kerr >>>> MacWizardry >>>> >>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>> >>>> >>>> **For everything Apple** >>>> >>>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion >>>> and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of >>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form >>>> of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any >>>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, >>>> that permission by the author be requested. >>>> >>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 12:29 pm, Daniel Kerr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Pat >>>>> >>>>> If you enter the AppleID (which is also used for iCloud, as they are >>>>> generally one and the same thing), more then 3 times, then yes it will >>>>> generally want you to reset it. >>>>> You can do this by a few options - some are automated, and don’t require >>>>> calling Apple. >>>>> If you have access to the email address, you can request an email that >>>>> will step you through resetting your password. >>>>> Generally if I want to “Test” a password for a client to see if it’s >>>>> correct or not, then I will use the “main” Apple site - applied.apple.com >>>>> By putting in the email address and password then it will ensure if it’s >>>>> correct or not. If it logs in - the password is correct. If it advises it >>>>> isn’t correct then a few tries before the option of resetting it >>>>> (normally via the email option). It’s very rare to have to call Apple for >>>>> this at all I find. It’s all automated. >>>>> >>>>> *Generally* (and I use this term lightly) the computer password will be >>>>> different to the AppleID password. Though,…in some of the later systems, >>>>> this can be reset by the same AppleID. >>>>> In System Preferences - Users & Groups - “username” (on the left hand >>>>> side). On the right hand side there is a tick box that says “Allow user >>>>> to reset password using Apple ID). If this is ticked, then the AppleID >>>>> can be used to change the computer password. And then (generally) these >>>>> are one and the same. >>>>> I personally prefer to keep these different, so the computer password is >>>>> completely different to my AppleID. (for security reasons). >>>>> >>>>> This could be where (if you had ticked) some of the issue could have >>>>> happened in your last post to the list where you went through with Apple >>>>> resetting the password. >>>>> (I probably would have used the Terminal thing as a last resort, as yes >>>>> it resets Keychain and this makes a whole other issue where passwords >>>>> stored there are a) lost of b) almost non-retrievable. And even if >>>>> retrieved via a TimeMachine backup they will be locked away under the >>>>> “original” password. >>>>> >>>>> As Peter has mentioned unfortunately these days everything has to be a >>>>> lot more secure. The flip side to this would be a lot more hacking of >>>>> details, a lot more social engineering of personal details and a lot more >>>>> user data out in the open. So with things like 2-factor authentication, >>>>> recovery via email of forgotten details, and stronger passwords Apple >>>>> (and others) are doing as much as they can do to protect personal data. >>>>> I’d personally prefer it this way, then people having access to my data. >>>>> I like the security of 2-factor authentication knowing that even if >>>>> someone got my AppleID password they can’t access it without physical >>>>> access to my iPhone. (which is also locked, and 10 wrong attempts will >>>>> just wipe my device). I’d rather know my data is as secure as possible >>>>> and harder for others to try and get then a lot less security and easier >>>>> ways to try and get my data. (only have to look at the 4 years that yahoo >>>>> accounts got hacked for example with no notification to their users). And >>>>> we see a lot more of these where some companies seem to be a bit less >>>>> “slack” about some things, and more personal data gets “hacked”. >>>>> (I know where two of my spams come from as they come to two email address >>>>> I used for Dropbox and Adobe. So I know those two accounts that get >>>>> spammed where two email addresses I used where “taken” in a list from >>>>> both of those companies.). The spam comes addresses to those two email >>>>> addresses which I then went and closed off and changed. >>>>> This was another interesting site where I could check which “places” my >>>>> email address may have been taken from - https://haveibeenpwned.com >>>>> This came from an article I read ages ago here - >>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com.au/new-email-scam-uses-old-password-fake-porn-threats-webcam-video-bitcoin-2018-7?r=US&IR=T >>>>> >>>>> The downside to all the security obviously is having a lot more >>>>> (different) passwords. This is where things like Keychain Access, >>>>> 1Password etc come in very handy to store all the passwords in for me. >>>>> (even things like the WAMUG mailing list, and the WAMUG committee mailing >>>>> list I have stored to access so I can look after the behind the scenes >>>>> things for it. And a lot more passwords linked to different things for >>>>> even those that need passwords as well). >>>>> So without having to remember them all, that’s where the above programs >>>>> become “life savers”. (and I have them stored in 2 different programs >>>>> should one “fail”). >>>>> The other I’ve set it up for clients who may not want to use the “written >>>>> down password” books is to have a locked Excel spreadsheet. Lock it with >>>>> a main password and give the file a name that doesn’t say “Passwords” >>>>> (e.g. Wine List, Book List, My Boring Notes file). Then they put all >>>>> their passwords in that. >>>>> Others write them down in books obviously as well. Not one I tend to >>>>> recommend as if someone gets the book they have all the passwords. But it >>>>> depends on how clients are worried about their data really. Some might >>>>> not have things they are worried about. >>>>> >>>>> But back to your topic,..if you have an AppleID, then you would have an >>>>> iCloudID - given they are both the same. >>>>> If you use the above link then you can at least check it and see if it >>>>> logs you in or not. Then you know at least if you have those details for >>>>> that AppleID/iCloud. >>>>> >>>>> Apologies to others for the long post,..was trying to cover a lot in one >>>>> email,….lol. >>>>> >>>>> Hope all that info helps. >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> Daniel >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone XS >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Daniel Kerr >>>>> MacWizardry >>>>> >>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **For everything Apple** >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion >>>>> and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of >>>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form >>>>> of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any >>>>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, >>>>> that permission by the author be requested. >>>>> >>>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 11:15 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Peter and Susan, >>>>>> >>>>>> One thing I read while I was thrashing around trying to fix things, was >>>>>> that if you enter a password incorrectly 2 times, you have to (I forget >>>>>> the exact words) sort it out with Apple (which isn’t easy to do, as you >>>>>> are only given a limited number of topics that you can choose from.) >>>>>> >>>>>> But for now, everything is working reasonably well, but I still haven’t >>>>>> tackled iCloud. Will do, soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 08:03, Peter Hinchliffe <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2018, at 11:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a functioning password to open the computer and other ones to >>>>>>>> send and receive mail. But I have just discovered that Apple has a >>>>>>>> clutch of others that I don’t know. I have never voluntarily used >>>>>>>> iCloud, so as far as I am concerned, it has no password. How do I find >>>>>>>> out how to find it or create it, because apparently I need it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It looks like I may need other passwords for functions about which I >>>>>>>> have no idea. Security gone mad. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was just trying to transfer something to one of my external disks. >>>>>>>> Couldn’t do it by drag and drop without the damn password. The one >>>>>>>> that opens my computer used to do it, but it was rejected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope someone can help. >>>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As frustrating as all this is, it’s an unfortunate reality in today’s >>>>>>> computing world that you must keep track of your accounts and >>>>>>> passwords. The only way to avoid this is to turn off all access to the >>>>>>> internet, which has now become almost impossible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whether or not you are using iCloud (and if you use a Mac you probably >>>>>>> are whether you think so or not) you are actually being asked for the >>>>>>> password for your Apple ID. Your Apple ID is generally just your >>>>>>> regular email address. Many people go through the motions of creating >>>>>>> an Apple ID when they first set up a new Mac or upgrade their OS, then >>>>>>> either forget about it or don’t realise the significance of what >>>>>>> they’ve been asked to do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In any event, if you don’t know what your Apple ID password is, you’ll >>>>>>> have to reset it. The most direct way to do this is simply to go to >>>>>>> System Preferences on your Mac and choose iCloud. You will be asked to >>>>>>> type a password. If you type something and it’s not recognised after 3 >>>>>>> attempts you will see a link appear which you can click if you “can’t >>>>>>> remember your password”. If you click that a message will be sent to >>>>>>> your email address showing you the steps to follow to create a new >>>>>>> password. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer Services >>>>>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer >>>>>>> Perth, Western Australia >>>>>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482 Mob 0403 046 948 >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Stephen Chape >>> >>> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > > Regards, > Stephen Chape > > > > > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
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