Perhaps I am being over cautious. It does make me nervous storing those passwords electronically.
Would like to hear your take on that though ? > On 3 Dec 2018, at 3:06 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Stephen, > > I have used and recommended 1Password for years, I think from when it was > first released. > ALL my passwords including all software purchased details and passwords are > stored in 1Password. > As a matter of interest, why don’t you have your Apple ID, Banking, and > PayPal stored in 1Password? > > Kind regards, > Ronni > > Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB > > > On 3 Dec 2018, at 2:37 pm, Stephen Chape <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Hello Pat. >> >> I can thoroughly recommend buying 1Password for your Mac. >> I have used it for a few years and could not get by without it. >> >> All my passwords (except Apple ID, Banking and Paypal) are stored in there. >> All I have to remember is my Master Password. >> I also keep all my Application Keys and other details there. >> >> >>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 12:31 pm, Daniel Kerr <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> oops sorry the Apple link should have been appleID.apple.com >>> <http://appleid.apple.com/> >>> Silly auto correct! >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Daniel >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone XS >>> >>> --- >>> Daniel Kerr >>> MacWizardry >>> >>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au <http://macwizardry.com.au/>> >>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au <http://www.macwizardry.com.au/>> >>> >>> >>> **For everything Apple** >>> >>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and >>> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of >>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of >>> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any >>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, >>> that permission by the author be requested. >>> >>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 12:29 pm, Daniel Kerr <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Pat >>>> >>>> If you enter the AppleID (which is also used for iCloud, as they are >>>> generally one and the same thing), more then 3 times, then yes it will >>>> generally want you to reset it. >>>> You can do this by a few options - some are automated, and don’t require >>>> calling Apple. >>>> If you have access to the email address, you can request an email that >>>> will step you through resetting your password. >>>> Generally if I want to “Test” a password for a client to see if it’s >>>> correct or not, then I will use the “main” Apple site - applied.apple.com >>>> <http://applied.apple.com/> >>>> By putting in the email address and password then it will ensure if it’s >>>> correct or not. If it logs in - the password is correct. If it advises it >>>> isn’t correct then a few tries before the option of resetting it (normally >>>> via the email option). It’s very rare to have to call Apple for this at >>>> all I find. It’s all automated. >>>> >>>> *Generally* (and I use this term lightly) the computer password will be >>>> different to the AppleID password. Though,…in some of the later systems, >>>> this can be reset by the same AppleID. >>>> In System Preferences - Users & Groups - “username” (on the left hand >>>> side). On the right hand side there is a tick box that says “Allow user to >>>> reset password using Apple ID). If this is ticked, then the AppleID can be >>>> used to change the computer password. And then (generally) these are one >>>> and the same. >>>> I personally prefer to keep these different, so the computer password is >>>> completely different to my AppleID. (for security reasons). >>>> >>>> This could be where (if you had ticked) some of the issue could have >>>> happened in your last post to the list where you went through with Apple >>>> resetting the password. >>>> (I probably would have used the Terminal thing as a last resort, as yes it >>>> resets Keychain and this makes a whole other issue where passwords stored >>>> there are a) lost of b) almost non-retrievable. And even if retrieved via >>>> a TimeMachine backup they will be locked away under the “original” >>>> password. >>>> >>>> As Peter has mentioned unfortunately these days everything has to be a lot >>>> more secure. The flip side to this would be a lot more hacking of details, >>>> a lot more social engineering of personal details and a lot more user data >>>> out in the open. So with things like 2-factor authentication, recovery via >>>> email of forgotten details, and stronger passwords Apple (and others) are >>>> doing as much as they can do to protect personal data. >>>> I’d personally prefer it this way, then people having access to my data. I >>>> like the security of 2-factor authentication knowing that even if someone >>>> got my AppleID password they can’t access it without physical access to my >>>> iPhone. (which is also locked, and 10 wrong attempts will just wipe my >>>> device). I’d rather know my data is as secure as possible and harder for >>>> others to try and get then a lot less security and easier ways to try and >>>> get my data. (only have to look at the 4 years that yahoo accounts got >>>> hacked for example with no notification to their users). And we see a lot >>>> more of these where some companies seem to be a bit less “slack” about >>>> some things, and more personal data gets “hacked”. >>>> (I know where two of my spams come from as they come to two email address >>>> I used for Dropbox and Adobe. So I know those two accounts that get >>>> spammed where two email addresses I used where “taken” in a list from both >>>> of those companies.). The spam comes addresses to those two email >>>> addresses which I then went and closed off and changed. >>>> This was another interesting site where I could check which “places” my >>>> email address may have been taken from - https://haveibeenpwned.com >>>> <https://haveibeenpwned.com/> >>>> This came from an article I read ages ago here - >>>> https://www.businessinsider.com.au/new-email-scam-uses-old-password-fake-porn-threats-webcam-video-bitcoin-2018-7?r=US&IR=T >>>> >>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com.au/new-email-scam-uses-old-password-fake-porn-threats-webcam-video-bitcoin-2018-7?r=US&IR=T> >>>> >>>> The downside to all the security obviously is having a lot more >>>> (different) passwords. This is where things like Keychain Access, >>>> 1Password etc come in very handy to store all the passwords in for me. >>>> (even things like the WAMUG mailing list, and the WAMUG committee mailing >>>> list I have stored to access so I can look after the behind the scenes >>>> things for it. And a lot more passwords linked to different things for >>>> even those that need passwords as well). >>>> So without having to remember them all, that’s where the above programs >>>> become “life savers”. (and I have them stored in 2 different programs >>>> should one “fail”). >>>> The other I’ve set it up for clients who may not want to use the “written >>>> down password” books is to have a locked Excel spreadsheet. Lock it with a >>>> main password and give the file a name that doesn’t say “Passwords” (e.g. >>>> Wine List, Book List, My Boring Notes file). Then they put all their >>>> passwords in that. >>>> Others write them down in books obviously as well. Not one I tend to >>>> recommend as if someone gets the book they have all the passwords. But it >>>> depends on how clients are worried about their data really. Some might not >>>> have things they are worried about. >>>> >>>> But back to your topic,..if you have an AppleID, then you would have an >>>> iCloudID - given they are both the same. >>>> If you use the above link then you can at least check it and see if it >>>> logs you in or not. Then you know at least if you have those details for >>>> that AppleID/iCloud. >>>> >>>> Apologies to others for the long post,..was trying to cover a lot in one >>>> email,….lol. >>>> >>>> Hope all that info helps. >>>> Kind regards >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone XS >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Daniel Kerr >>>> MacWizardry >>>> >>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au <http://macwizardry.com.au/>> >>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au <http://www.macwizardry.com.au/>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **For everything Apple** >>>> >>>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion >>>> and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of >>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form >>>> of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any >>>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, >>>> that permission by the author be requested. >>>> >>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 11:15 am, Pat <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Peter and Susan, >>>>> >>>>> One thing I read while I was thrashing around trying to fix things, was >>>>> that if you enter a password incorrectly 2 times, you have to (I forget >>>>> the exact words) sort it out with Apple (which isn’t easy to do, as you >>>>> are only given a limited number of topics that you can choose from.) >>>>> >>>>> But for now, everything is working reasonably well, but I still haven’t >>>>> tackled iCloud. Will do, soon. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 08:03, Peter Hinchliffe <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2018, at 11:31 am, Pat <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a functioning password to open the computer and other ones to >>>>>>> send and receive mail. But I have just discovered that Apple has a >>>>>>> clutch of others that I don’t know. I have never voluntarily used >>>>>>> iCloud, so as far as I am concerned, it has no password. How do I find >>>>>>> out how to find it or create it, because apparently I need it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks like I may need other passwords for functions about which I >>>>>>> have no idea. Security gone mad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was just trying to transfer something to one of my external disks. >>>>>>> Couldn’t do it by drag and drop without the damn password. The one that >>>>>>> opens my computer used to do it, but it was rejected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope someone can help. >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> As frustrating as all this is, it’s an unfortunate reality in today’s >>>>>> computing world that you must keep track of your accounts and passwords. >>>>>> The only way to avoid this is to turn off all access to the internet, >>>>>> which has now become almost impossible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whether or not you are using iCloud (and if you use a Mac you probably >>>>>> are whether you think so or not) you are actually being asked for the >>>>>> password for your Apple ID. Your Apple ID is generally just your regular >>>>>> email address. Many people go through the motions of creating an Apple >>>>>> ID when they first set up a new Mac or upgrade their OS, then either >>>>>> forget about it or don’t realise the significance of what they’ve been >>>>>> asked to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> In any event, if you don’t know what your Apple ID password is, you’ll >>>>>> have to reset it. The most direct way to do this is simply to go to >>>>>> System Preferences on your Mac and choose iCloud. You will be asked to >>>>>> type a password. If you type something and it’s not recognised after 3 >>>>>> attempts you will see a link appear which you can click if you “can’t >>>>>> remember your password”. If you click that a message will be sent to >>>>>> your email address showing you the steps to follow to create a new >>>>>> password. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer Services >>>>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer >>>>>> Perth, Western Australia >>>>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482 Mob 0403 046 948 >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. >> >> >> Regards, >> Stephen Chape >> >> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml > <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml>> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml > <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>> Regards, Stephen Chape
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