>> To be clear: one of the selling points of Roo as no lock-in. You can use any 
>> number of JPA providers, you get code generated which you can customize 
>> pretty well via aspect-j (a part of which I would like to see in EO 
>> generator so one remove the weird _Foo classes) and you get this without any 
>> runtime jars at all.
> Yeah I've wondered whether we should do class rewriting for _Foo and maybe 
> even EO's period, like Hibernate does.

That'd be nice if it would be possible at all. On the other hand, EOs are *not* 
beans, so I don't know if you can actually do this and still have all the 
benefits they have from not being beans. But a bit of experimenting in aspect-j 
would probably be fun.

>> So it's not D2W, but it's probably good enough to be workable. And given a 
>> certain company's abysmal track record in supporting enterprise software, it 
>> *might* be good enough for some to be actually considered as an viable 
>> alternative for WO/EOF. 
> 
> I was pretty turned off by the demo video when I watched it a few weeks ago 
> ... They LOOOVVVEEE xml files. It looked pretty tedious. That said, if you 
> have to pick something other than WO, I guess you're going to have to 
> sacrifice in some way :)

Well... and EO model in plist format isn't for the faint-hearted either. So 
it's just a matter of having a reasonable editor (and have someone who writes 
it).

And Roo seemed to take care of most of the XML stuff for you (they have their 
own IDE based on eclipse).

That is *not* to say I'm advertising this at all or recommending it or 
whatever. It's just something I stumbled across that has a few things I would 
like to have:

- JPA means deployment in app engine
- halfway-decent CRUD support
- halfway decent GWT/Ajax/JSON support
- servlet based -> failover, less state, etc

Oh, and it's open-source :)

Cheers, Anjo _______________________________________________
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