Le 2011-09-26 à 06:57, Jim Kinsey a écrit : > The last time I did any interviewing for developers, we ended up with some > devs who really did not want to engage with WO on any level, no matter how > they came across in the interview. Years of complaining about WO, misusing it > in ways which hurt the performance of the system (as the last remaining > experienced WO developer I often ended up wading in to sort it out) and then > blaming it on WO without having made the least attempt to learn it properly... > > If you hire good people they'll be willing to learn and engage with new > things, but obviously that's easier said than done (and usually more > expensive, too). I think our mistake was taking on experienced JEE types who > have all the certs under the Sun,
We had the same "issue" at a previous job. We hired a guy who had two JEE certificates and he was the worse WO developer I have ever seen. > whereas what we perhaps should have been looking for are people with a > variety of technologies under their belts. If I were looking right now and > couldn't find someone with WO, I think I would look for some Java experience, > some non-Java experience, and definitely some iOS experience. The latter > might make people more open to Apple's favoured design patterns, and CoreData > experience can't hurt. > > Sadly, I am no longer using WO professionally and only maintain an interest > for a side project. As for what happened on my last team, the new devs got > their way and the system was ported to Hibernate. Amusingly, this is still > not in production 8 months after it was declared complete because they have > been unable to match the performance of the (still in production) WO version! > Last I heard they were going to go cap in hand to our (internal) clients and > explain that yes, it's going to be slower, but at least it's easier to hire > new developers (if they had the cash to hire new developers)... > > Cheers, > > Jim > > On 24 Sep 2011, at 19:38, Marius Soutier wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> I know this a difficult and opinionated topic, but I have been asked by a >> friend what technology to choose for a Lean Startup (= 3 months until the >> first minimum viable product). While he and I know WebObjects quite well, I >> think it's safe to say there are only few people here in Germany who know it >> at all. I'm personally convinced (and have seen this affirmed by the two >> WOWODC talks about Lean Startup and Fluffy Bunny, excellent talks by the >> way) that WO itself is a great technology to get things up and running very >> fast. However, what if the business grows and he needs to hire more people? >> >> My first question is - do you easily find skilled people who are willing to >> learn WebObjects? What's your experience on this? >> >> And the second question would be - how long does it take them to be >> productive, i.e. write working code without much help. I'm assuming here the >> person knows Java quite well and is eager to learn new stuff. >> >> The alternative would be Ruby on Rails, which seems quite popular in >> startups nowadays. >> >> >> Thanks for your insight! >> >> >> - Marius >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jim.kinsey%40bbc.co.uk >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/ > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. > Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance > on it and notify the sender immediately. > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. > Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca > > This email sent to [email protected] _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [email protected]
