Ronald A. DeMena III wrote: > > Michelle hopefully this note finds its way to you in clarity… > > > > I will try to address things in line with your discussion. > > > > *From:* michelle olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:45 PM > *To:* Ronald A. DeMena III > *Cc:* [email protected]; 'Marty Duey'; 'Derek Cicero' > *Subject:* Re: [website-discuss] May splash page > > > > Hi Ron, > > Thanks so much for these detailed comments, my replies inline. > > Ronald A. DeMena III wrote: > > I like the splash as well as the new design proposed ... my suggestions > build on Derek's a bit. > > I believe we should build everything into a verb-noun assembly. Thus the > verb has a context by which it is applied... > > Such as: > > Download OpenSolaris (Go directly to downloads do not pass go, do not > collect $200 dollars ... Emphasis on download and less on OpenSolaris - I > don’t think they need to see OpenSolaris.Com in the screen, nor > OpenSolaris.Org in the screen > > Do I understand you to be saying that we should not have the text > 'opensolaris.org' and 'opensolaris.com' on the splash page as they > currently appear? Or am I misunderstanding? Maybe you mean that we > shouldn't redirect to opensolaris.com when user selects 'Download'? > Thanks for any clarification you can give. > > Yes I mean remove the OpenSolaris.org and OpenSolaris.com and just > simply have a single “OpenSolaris” as a parent to the entire content. > Transistion from the org TLD to com TLD should be transparent and we > should find ways to support such without confusion my establishing > clear content, if that is the intent to use the .Com TLD for > downloads. Specifically I do not agree with creating a multiple site > presence, I believe everything should be seamless and transparent to > the end user. Like most Sun technologies, easy in and easy out. > I've requested this change, not sure if this will all be seamless, but I appreciate your time to articulate this point, I agree completely and will try to advocate for this experience. > > > > - we should be a unified presence although > content may be different based on the TLD assignment. We need to provide > clear redirection on any page.) > > > Sorry, I don't know what TLD assignment is. Can you talk about your > vision for 'unified presence' a little more? I agree with this theory > completely, and I'm pretty concerned about confusion related to two > sets of branding, so I welcome any additional thoughts you have. > > > > The Top Level Domains .Org or .Com should never matter in the case of > managing this community. If we drive specific content towards a > OpenSolaris.Com the same flow or linkage to the appropriate content on > the .Org domain should exist. This again should be transparent to the > end user. I don’t like spelling it out. Likewise I believe the > potential use as we encountered already such as .Biz or .Net could > also be incorporated into this logic. > > > > Get Source Code (For the brave people out there) > > Make Contributions (Go to the community pages with an intro on how to > contribute in each of the significantly defined ways, and point them to the > projects, groups, etc.) > > > In your opinion, what are the top ways to contribute that we should > introduce? The page I drafted covers the following: innovations, code, > documentation, testing, translations, advocacy, and country portals. > Any help is appreciated. > > So I didn’t mean to draw away from the point but apparently I did. I > just wanted to suggest that the splash be shortened to “Make > Contributions” as the verb-noun complex. When they click on it or if > it expands into a menu or otherwise, it would introduce them into > those ways to contribute as you had described. > got it, let me know what you think of the changes. > > > Find Help (Go to an extended / advanced search engine page that will > traverse the world and assist in finding where an answer may lay) > > > Interesting, I have a google custom search I could modify for this > purpose. This brings up a question about difference in perception of > terminology with regard to get vs. find. Maybe this is the split we > need to make 'get support' and 'find information'. Not sure.. > > > > I am not a fan of Get… “Get” typically implies something physically > tangible. “Find” emphasizes a responsibility of the end user to > engage in an action, whether it be information, or help specifically. > Get is raw, find is more intelligible. Personal preference could also > be argued, but if someone goes to the site to find something it is > typically help on a problem or situation, be it tracking down a sample > man page, example, documentation, or experiences repeated from a > discussion thread. > we still have 'get the source' let me know if you have a rewrite. > > > Discuss Experiences (Go straight to discussions where an individual can > provide input or challenge input of others or just read the threads) > > > This is not a top-level item that we have considered, except in an > earlier draft I wanted a set of links on the front page not only to > discussions, but also user groups, chats, universities, and forums. > The feedback suggested the links were too confusing. If others agree > with you, we should resurrect this idea. > > I absolutely believe that Discuss Experiences should be there… people > want to know both the good and bad laundry, and they usually want to > know it first before they consider contributing, as well as seeing how > people work together to resolve the issues. As an example, much of > what we are fighting through now with the Website CG could be shown, > or when Xen got first rolled out as part of the system. One thing > Microsoft did good is they started thinking about how people > experienced their products back with Windows XP. Not saying we need > to repeat their actions but the concept of making life easy or flow > smoothly is an important part of getting involved. Social > organizations today fall apart because people get too interpretive of > the language used, or develop animosity over petite issues. If we > want people to contribute, and we feel there is a lot of positive > material, then we need to expose it quickly to them and make our > discussions or experiences available quickly, clearly, and completely. > OK, thanks I think you've really hit mail on the head here. I understand this point, and I think I'd like to keep the forums and mail lists on the Find Help page. Maybe we can add links in callout boxes that go to forums/lists on the other landing pages to make sure they're easy to find. If others agree with you, we'll reconsider a move to the front page.
Thanks again, Michelle > > > Each of these would have content to guide visitors in achieving their goal > during the visit... I also believe in having a quick simple search on every > page. Many people get lost in the current mess, and there is no doubt > messes of pages will always exist, especially in a growing and thriving > environment. > > > Right, the current splash page draft doesn't have registration or > search. This is something we can consider also. I will at least add it > to the current draft and see what folks think. > > Thanks again for your time, > Michelle > > > --Ron > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Duey > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:42 AM > To: Derek Cicero > Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [website-discuss] May splash page > > On 4/22/2008 6:17 PM, Derek Cicero wrote: > > > All, > > > > As a follow-up to Michelle's earlier email about the splash page for > > May, here is the current thinking for the launch. > > > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/website/splash2/ > > > > > Good stuff, Derek. Tweaks I would recommend are: > > Remove "I want" or "I need" and start with a verb, e.g., Learn about > OpenSolaris, Get the source. > > > > The idea is to introduce opensolaris.com as the place to download the > > binary and to receive end-user help, with more substantial development > > issues being directed to opensolaris.org. > > > > > Expanding on this, it makes sense to point individuals interested in > things other than source and contributing to projects to > opensolaris.com. That would put links to learn, help, download/use, on > the opensolaris.com side. > > > Each of the links on the .org side would go to new landing page of > > existing materials that Michelle is putting together. > > > > > We're doing something similar with an "OpenSolaris Initiative" for the > Sun Partner Advantage Program. This will be a place where information > about OpenSolaris from wide ranging sources are presented in a concise > and efficient manner. We're not necessarily creating new material, but > providing quick access to what already exists based on the individual's > or company interest > > > > The opensolaris.org graphic would take the user to the current .org home > > page. > > > > Any existing bookmarks to opensolaris.org/os/ would still be valid. > > > > The opensolaris.com graphic will go to that home page, as shown here: > > > > http://www.gnome.org/~gman/opensolaris-new/index.html > <http://www.gnome.org/%7Egman/opensolaris-new/index.html> > > > > Comments welcome. > > > > Derek > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: > 4/23/2008 7:16 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: > 4/23/2008 7:16 PM > _______________________________________________ website-discuss mailing list [email protected]
