Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't understand what's so bad about lipreading augmented by sign
language. Face it, most hearing people are not going to learn sign
language unless they have deaf people in their lives--family, friends,
coworkers, etc. If deaf people only know sign language they are
isolating themselves from the outside world. No other "differently
abled" people CHOOSE to totally insulate/isolate themselves from the
rest of society. Sometimes that choice is made for them, whether they
want it or not because someone decides the persona cannot function in
mainstream society. But most people I know if they had a handicap
they would want to do everything possible to prevent it from
interfering with their regular lives. I am blind without my glasses.
Would I rather hang out with other blind people because they are the
only ones who can understand what I'm going through? Or would I
rather wear glasses so I can correct the problem and function in
mainstream society? I will take the glasses. I know deaf people also
have a problem with cochlear implants. Give me a break. LIFE IS
EASIER IF YOU CAN HEAR THAN IF YOU CAN'T HEAR! Can you hear me now?
I realize I can't speak for deaf people, but I would imagine they
would feel like they are missing out on certain things that can't be
replicated in sign language or even lip reading--sounds that aren't
words like music and wind and rain and waves crashing and applause, etc.
There was a deaf person in this group, haven't heard from him in a
while. Zithromaximus or something like that. If you're still around,
care to give your 2c?
--- In weingartenchatters@yahoogroups. , Diane Lochnercom
<[EMAIL PROTECTED].> wrote:
>
> It's been my experience that a lot of colleges do bring students to
the table (ok, so maybe it's a token seat, but still a seat/voice.)
My university did bring students into the process...We had a student
member of the state board of higher education (who could vote...the
faculty member of the state board could not) and we had a student on
the presidential search committee. They also held "town hall meeting"
type events fror students, where those who had an interest could come
meet, address, and ask questions of the candidates. It was an
official part of the campus interview process. I believe the student
government leaders had one-on-one meetings with each candidate as well.
>
> This was a decent-sized state institution, in the midwest, and for
the most part, we'd always had good relations between students and the
administration.
>
> That all said, I agree with Amy, perhaps things are different in
the deaf community? Certainly, I can see how it would be important to
some at Gallaudet that their president be fully immersed and aware of
deaf culture...perhaps part of the disagreement is the degree to which
the incoming president is or is not immersed/aware/etc?
>
>
>
> algriner1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:
> What bothers me as an outsider viewing this situation, is
that the
> students appear, in part, angry because they were not included in the
> process to select the new president. Now, I went to a fine
> institution of higher learning (University of Nebraska, where the Big
> Red "N" on the side of the football stadium stands for "Nowledge").
> While I was in attendance, we had a selection process for a new
> President (or Chancellor, I don't remember which, but for this
> situation it doesn't matter). As a student I did not agree with the
> choice. I was VEHEMENTLY opposed. I was in Environmental Studies,
> involved in Ecology Now, helped start putting recycling bins in all
> the buildings, that sort of thing. The guy tapped was partially
> selected because of his closeness to certain companies that would
> funnel money to the school for agricultural research, specifically
> research to develop and promote genetically modified seeds and
> crops. Yeah, I had a problem with that. LOTS of students had a
> problem with that.
>
> Did we have a say, as students, in the selection process? No. The
> selection was the responsibility of the Board of Regents. They
> reviewed applicants, interviewed, and selected. No input from the
> student body at all. Of course, that's just how it was. Their job
> was to make sure the school functioned, our job was to study, learn,
> become adults, and graduate. We all did our job. School went on.
>
> The Gallaudet situation is troublesome because it appears that the
> students are complaining because they didn't get to pick the
> president or didn't have a voice in the selection. Guess
> what...that's the way universities function. Get over it. Quit
> whining and move on. It just smacks of too much of an expectation of
> getting exactly what you want, all the time.
>
> Maybe I'm being too harsh...maybe things are different in the deaf
> community. I don't know. But I know of NO other university where
> the students have an active part of a selection process of such a
> position at the school. Why should it be different at Gallaudet?
>
> --- In weingartenchatters@yahoogroups. , "Ellen"com
> <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> >
> > thanks, that was my impression, but it isn't clear what the
> > protesting are hoping will happen, other than the incoming
> president
> > be ousted. Many people president-age learned ASL as adults, as
> > you're saying. That's not their fault--at least they know it.
> Isn't
> > that better than not knowing it? How do the protesters know anyone
> > else would be any better? To at least this outsider, both
> culturally
> > and geographically, they appear to be overreacting, but who knows.
> > Out of hand because if the school is shut down I would think that
> > would be most people's definition of out of hand. But they could
> > just be thinking OK the protesters won because they forced us to
> shut
> > the school. Are they happy now? I hope this gets resolved soon
> and
> > that it isn't the beginning of the end of Gallaudet.
> >
> >
> > --- In weingartenchatters@yahoogroups. , "Daria Akers"com
> > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It depends on what is out of hand. I will give you what I
> understand
> > > but I am not deaf so I in now way want to speak for those who are
> > but
> > > I am very interested in deaf culture so I might have some insight
> to
> > > offer.
> > > The first deaf president of Gallaudet (I. King Jordan) was
> ushered
> > in
> > > on the back of protests. That was almost 18 years ago. Now he is
> > upset
> > > at this one...seems odd to me.
> > > There are many different issues. Some believe that the cultural
> > > diversity of the student body is not being considered enough
> > > (representatives on the Board and in school officials), some
> people
> > > say that there is discrimination on campus, some people think the
> > new
> > > president is a bad representative for the deaf community, some
> think
> > > that she isn't a strong leader.
> > > The deaf community has changed significantly in the last few
> > decades.
> > > It used to be that in the 50s and 60s deaf people would learn to
> lip
> > > read and attempted to integrate into the non-deaf community by
> > > learning to talk. Many deaf people never even used ASL (American
> > Sign
> > > Language). Older generations are looked at sometimes viewed by
> young
> > > deaf people like black people who used to pass as whites. Like
> they
> > > weren't proud or accepting of who they were. Now most deaf people
> > > learn ASL and request interpreters to talk to non-deaf people.
> The
> > new
> > > president didn't learn ASL until she was in her 20s.
> > > So that's my 2 cents (okay more like 50 but...)
> > > Daria
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/12/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > Can someone please fill me in on the Gallaudet situation?
> > >
> >
>
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