Isn't it pronounced just like it's spelled? Gall-au-det.
--- In [email protected], "Roberta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Apropos of not much - if those protesting students could hear, I'll bet > they'd make mince-meat of the TV commentators that call their school > Gal-YEW-det. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:59 PM > Subject: [wc] Re: Gallaudet > > > You don't have to call me God James unless you really, really want to. > > --- In [email protected], "dvm8375" > <muellerdana@> wrote: > > > > God James, you are such an IDIOT! > > > > --- In [email protected], "James" <ttlsccr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > oh, then nevermind! I'm obviously only here for the dumb stuff. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the president-elect IS deaf, but she didn't learn sign language > > > until > > > > her '20's. so what? At least she's deaf. How do the students > > > know > > > > if she'll be a good president anyway? If I remember correctly > > the > > > > last presidential protest was because the president-elect > wasn't > > > deaf > > > > at all, and that was unacceptable, which I sort of understand > > > more. > > > > It seems it's really getting to a point where the students are > > just > > > > protesting for the sake of protesting, which can be dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], James <ttlsccr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure it's possible to compare large universities with > > > > diverse student bodies to smaller schools at which the students > > are > > > > bonded by common characteristics. Are there any traditionally > > > black > > > > colleges with white presidents? Religious schools with shrewd > > and > > > > well-connected atheists at the helm? I'm not sure and am too > > lazy > > > to > > > > research it. But I think such a hiring at one of these schools > > > would > > > > provoke the same kind of outcry. I was impressed, while I was > > > there, > > > > that a large portion of a mostly white, mostly affluent student > > > body > > > > was so vehemently against GWU's massive investment in South > > Africa > > > > during apartheid. But really, if there was a Springsteen > > concert > > > that > > > > night? Nada. Protesting was mostly something done between > bong > > > hits. > > > > So if these kids want to shut down their school and fight for > > > what's > > > > important to them, hell yeah let 'em do it. At least they > aren't > > > > burning anything down. Go Terps! > > > > > > > > > > Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: I don't understand > > what's > > > > so bad about lipreading augmented by sign > > > > > language. Face it, most hearing people are not going to learn > > > sign > > > > > language unless they have deaf people in their lives-- family, > > > friends, > > > > > coworkers, etc. If deaf people only know sign language they > are > > > > > isolating themselves from the outside world. No > > > other "differently > > > > > abled" people CHOOSE to totally insulate/isolate themselves > > from > > > the > > > > > rest of society. Sometimes that choice is made for them, > > whether > > > they > > > > > want it or not because someone decides the persona cannot > > > function in > > > > > mainstream society. But most people I know if they had a > > handicap > > > > > they would want to do everything possible to prevent it from > > > > > interfering with their regular lives. I am blind without my > > > glasses. > > > > > Would I rather hang out with other blind people because they > > are > > > the > > > > > only ones who can understand what I'm going through? Or would > I > > > > > rather wear glasses so I can correct the problem and function > > in > > > > > mainstream society? I will take the glasses. I know deaf > > people > > > also > > > > > have a problem with cochlear implants. Give me a break. LIFE > IS > > > > > EASIER IF YOU CAN HEAR THAN IF YOU CAN'T HEAR! Can you hear > me > > > now? > > > > > I realize I can't speak for deaf people, but I would imagine > > they > > > > > would feel like they are missing out on certain things that > > > can't be > > > > > replicated in sign language or even lip reading--sounds that > > > aren't > > > > > words like music and wind and rain and waves crashing and > > > applause, etc. > > > > > > > > > > There was a deaf person in this group, haven't heard from him > > in > > > a > > > > > while. Zithromaximus or something like that. If you're still > > > around, > > > > > care to give your 2c? > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Diane Lochner > > > > > <dlochund@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's been my experience that a lot of colleges do bring > > > students to > > > > > the table (ok, so maybe it's a token seat, but still a > > > seat/voice.) > > > > > My university did bring students into the process...We had a > > > student > > > > > member of the state board of higher education (who could > > > vote...the > > > > > faculty member of the state board could not) and we had a > > > student on > > > > > the presidential search committee. They also held "town hall > > > meeting" > > > > > type events fror students, where those who had an interest > > could > > > come > > > > > meet, address, and ask questions of the candidates. It was an > > > > > official part of the campus interview process. I believe the > > > student > > > > > government leaders had one-on-one meetings with each > candidate > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > This was a decent-sized state institution, in the midwest, > > and > > > for > > > > > the most part, we'd always had good relations between > students > > > and the > > > > > administration. > > > > > > > > > > > > That all said, I agree with Amy, perhaps things are > > different > > > in > > > > > the deaf community? Certainly, I can see how it would be > > > important to > > > > > some at Gallaudet that their president be fully immersed and > > > aware of > > > > > deaf culture...perhaps part of the disagreement is the degree > > to > > > which > > > > > the incoming president is or is not immersed/aware/etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algriner1 <algriner1@> wrote: > > > > > > What bothers me as an outsider viewing this situation, is > > > > > that the > > > > > > students appear, in part, angry because they were not > > included > > > in the > > > > > > process to select the new president. Now, I went to a fine > > > > > > institution of higher learning (University of Nebraska, > > where > > > the Big > > > > > > Red "N" on the side of the football stadium stands > > > for "Nowledge"). > > > > > > While I was in attendance, we had a selection process for a > > > new > > > > > > President (or Chancellor, I don't remember which, but for > > this > > > > > > situation it doesn't matter). As a student I did not agree > > > with the > > > > > > choice. I was VEHEMENTLY opposed. I was in Environmental > > > Studies, > > > > > > involved in Ecology Now, helped start putting recycling > bins > > > in all > > > > > > the buildings, that sort of thing. The guy tapped was > > > partially > > > > > > selected because of his closeness to certain companies that > > > would > > > > > > funnel money to the school for agricultural research, > > > specifically > > > > > > research to develop and promote genetically modified seeds > > and > > > > > > crops. Yeah, I had a problem with that. LOTS of students > had > > a > > > > > > problem with that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Did we have a say, as students, in the selection process? > > No. > > > The > > > > > > selection was the responsibility of the Board of Regents. > > They > > > > > > reviewed applicants, interviewed, and selected. No input > > from > > > the > > > > > > student body at all. Of course, that's just how it was. > > Their > > > job > > > > > > was to make sure the school functioned, our job was to > > study, > > > learn, > > > > > > become adults, and graduate. We all did our job. School > went > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Gallaudet situation is troublesome because it appears > > that > > > the > > > > > > students are complaining because they didn't get to pick > the > > > > > > president or didn't have a voice in the selection. Guess > > > > > > what...that's the way universities function. Get over it. > > Quit > > > > > > whining and move on. It just smacks of too much of an > > > expectation of > > > > > > getting exactly what you want, all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe I'm being too harsh...maybe things are different in > > the > > > deaf > > > > > > community. I don't know. But I know of NO other university > > > where > > > > > > the students have an active part of a selection process of > > > such a > > > > > > position at the school. Why should it be different at > > > Gallaudet? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > > > > > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, that was my impression, but it isn't clear what > > the > > > > > > > protesting are hoping will happen, other than the > incoming > > > > > > president > > > > > > > be ousted. Many people president-age learned ASL as > > adults, > > > as > > > > > > > you're saying. That's not their fault--at least they know > > > it. > > > > > > Isn't > > > > > > > that better than not knowing it? How do the protesters > > know > > > anyone > > > > > > > else would be any better? To at least this outsider, both > > > > > > culturally > > > > > > > and geographically, they appear to be overreacting, but > > who > > > knows. > > > > > > > Out of hand because if the school is shut down I would > > think > > > that > > > > > > > would be most people's definition of out of hand. But > they > > > could > > > > > > > just be thinking OK the protesters won because they > forced > > > us to > > > > > > shut > > > > > > > the school. Are they happy now? I hope this gets resolved > > > soon > > > > > > and > > > > > > > that it isn't the beginning of the end of Gallaudet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Daria Akers" > > > > > > > <daria.akers@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on what is out of hand. I will give you what > > I > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > but I am not deaf so I in now way want to speak for > > those > > > who are > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > I am very interested in deaf culture so I might have > > some > > > insight > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > offer. > > > > > > > > The first deaf president of Gallaudet (I. King Jordan) > > was > > > > > > ushered > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > on the back of protests. That was almost 18 years ago. > > Now > > > he is > > > > > > > upset > > > > > > > > at this one...seems odd to me. > > > > > > > > There are many different issues. Some believe that the > > > cultural > > > > > > > > diversity of the student body is not being considered > > > enough > > > > > > > > (representatives on the Board and in school officials), > > > some > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > say that there is discrimination on campus, some people > > > think the > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > president is a bad representative for the deaf > > community, > > > some > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > that she isn't a strong leader. > > > > > > > > The deaf community has changed significantly in the > last > > > few > > > > > > > decades. > > > > > > > > It used to be that in the 50s and 60s deaf people would > > > learn to > > > > > > lip > > > > > > > > read and attempted to integrate into the non-deaf > > > community by > > > > > > > > learning to talk. Many deaf people never even used ASL > > > (American > > > > > > > Sign > > > > > > > > Language). Older generations are looked at sometimes > > > viewed by > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > deaf people like black people who used to pass as > > whites. > > > Like > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > weren't proud or accepting of who they were. Now most > > deaf > > > people > > > > > > > > learn ASL and request interpreters to talk to non-deaf > > > people. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > president didn't learn ASL until she was in her 20s. > > > > > > > > So that's my 2 cents (okay more like 50 but...) > > > > > > > > Daria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/12/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can someone please fill me in on the Gallaudet > > situation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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