You don't have to call me God James unless you really, really want to.
--- In [email protected], "dvm8375"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> God James, you are such an IDIOT!
>
> --- In [email protected], "James" <ttlsccr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > oh, then nevermind! I'm obviously only here for the dumb stuff.
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Ellen"
> > <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > >
> > > the president-elect IS deaf, but she didn't learn sign language
> > until
> > > her '20's. so what? At least she's deaf. How do the students
> > know
> > > if she'll be a good president anyway? If I remember correctly
> the
> > > last presidential protest was because the president-elect
wasn't
> > deaf
> > > at all, and that was unacceptable, which I sort of understand
> > more.
> > > It seems it's really getting to a point where the students are
> just
> > > protesting for the sake of protesting, which can be dangerous.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], James <ttlsccr@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure it's possible to compare large universities with
> > > diverse student bodies to smaller schools at which the students
> are
> > > bonded by common characteristics. Are there any traditionally
> > black
> > > colleges with white presidents? Religious schools with shrewd
> and
> > > well-connected atheists at the helm? I'm not sure and am too
> lazy
> > to
> > > research it. But I think such a hiring at one of these schools
> > would
> > > provoke the same kind of outcry. I was impressed, while I was
> > there,
> > > that a large portion of a mostly white, mostly affluent student
> > body
> > > was so vehemently against GWU's massive investment in South
> Africa
> > > during apartheid. But really, if there was a Springsteen
> concert
> > that
> > > night? Nada. Protesting was mostly something done between
bong
> > hits.
> > > So if these kids want to shut down their school and fight for
> > what's
> > > important to them, hell yeah let 'em do it. At least they
aren't
> > > burning anything down. Go Terps!
> > > >
> > > > Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: I don't understand
> what's
> > > so bad about lipreading augmented by sign
> > > > language. Face it, most hearing people are not going to learn
> > sign
> > > > language unless they have deaf people in their lives--family,
> > friends,
> > > > coworkers, etc. If deaf people only know sign language they
are
> > > > isolating themselves from the outside world. No
> > other "differently
> > > > abled" people CHOOSE to totally insulate/isolate themselves
> from
> > the
> > > > rest of society. Sometimes that choice is made for them,
> whether
> > they
> > > > want it or not because someone decides the persona cannot
> > function in
> > > > mainstream society. But most people I know if they had a
> handicap
> > > > they would want to do everything possible to prevent it from
> > > > interfering with their regular lives. I am blind without my
> > glasses.
> > > > Would I rather hang out with other blind people because they
> are
> > the
> > > > only ones who can understand what I'm going through? Or would
I
> > > > rather wear glasses so I can correct the problem and function
> in
> > > > mainstream society? I will take the glasses. I know deaf
> people
> > also
> > > > have a problem with cochlear implants. Give me a break. LIFE
IS
> > > > EASIER IF YOU CAN HEAR THAN IF YOU CAN'T HEAR! Can you hear
me
> > now?
> > > > I realize I can't speak for deaf people, but I would imagine
> they
> > > > would feel like they are missing out on certain things that
> > can't be
> > > > replicated in sign language or even lip reading--sounds that
> > aren't
> > > > words like music and wind and rain and waves crashing and
> > applause, etc.
> > > >
> > > > There was a deaf person in this group, haven't heard from him
> in
> > a
> > > > while. Zithromaximus or something like that. If you're still
> > around,
> > > > care to give your 2c?
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], Diane Lochner
> > > > <dlochund@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It's been my experience that a lot of colleges do bring
> > students to
> > > > the table (ok, so maybe it's a token seat, but still a
> > seat/voice.)
> > > > My university did bring students into the process...We had a
> > student
> > > > member of the state board of higher education (who could
> > vote...the
> > > > faculty member of the state board could not) and we had a
> > student on
> > > > the presidential search committee. They also held "town hall
> > meeting"
> > > > type events fror students, where those who had an interest
> could
> > come
> > > > meet, address, and ask questions of the candidates. It was an
> > > > official part of the campus interview process. I believe the
> > student
> > > > government leaders had one-on-one meetings with each
candidate
> > as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > This was a decent-sized state institution, in the midwest,
> and
> > for
> > > > the most part, we'd always had good relations between
students
> > and the
> > > > administration.
> > > > >
> > > > > That all said, I agree with Amy, perhaps things are
> different
> > in
> > > > the deaf community? Certainly, I can see how it would be
> > important to
> > > > some at Gallaudet that their president be fully immersed and
> > aware of
> > > > deaf culture...perhaps part of the disagreement is the degree
> to
> > which
> > > > the incoming president is or is not immersed/aware/etc?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > algriner1 <algriner1@> wrote:
> > > > > What bothers me as an outsider viewing this situation, is
> > > > that the
> > > > > students appear, in part, angry because they were not
> included
> > in the
> > > > > process to select the new president. Now, I went to a fine
> > > > > institution of higher learning (University of Nebraska,
> where
> > the Big
> > > > > Red "N" on the side of the football stadium stands
> > for "Nowledge").
> > > > > While I was in attendance, we had a selection process for a
> > new
> > > > > President (or Chancellor, I don't remember which, but for
> this
> > > > > situation it doesn't matter). As a student I did not agree
> > with the
> > > > > choice. I was VEHEMENTLY opposed. I was in Environmental
> > Studies,
> > > > > involved in Ecology Now, helped start putting recycling
bins
> > in all
> > > > > the buildings, that sort of thing. The guy tapped was
> > partially
> > > > > selected because of his closeness to certain companies that
> > would
> > > > > funnel money to the school for agricultural research,
> > specifically
> > > > > research to develop and promote genetically modified seeds
> and
> > > > > crops. Yeah, I had a problem with that. LOTS of students
had
> a
> > > > > problem with that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did we have a say, as students, in the selection process?
> No.
> > The
> > > > > selection was the responsibility of the Board of Regents.
> They
> > > > > reviewed applicants, interviewed, and selected. No input
> from
> > the
> > > > > student body at all. Of course, that's just how it was.
> Their
> > job
> > > > > was to make sure the school functioned, our job was to
> study,
> > learn,
> > > > > become adults, and graduate. We all did our job. School
went
> > on.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Gallaudet situation is troublesome because it appears
> that
> > the
> > > > > students are complaining because they didn't get to pick
the
> > > > > president or didn't have a voice in the selection. Guess
> > > > > what...that's the way universities function. Get over it.
> Quit
> > > > > whining and move on. It just smacks of too much of an
> > expectation of
> > > > > getting exactly what you want, all the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe I'm being too harsh...maybe things are different in
> the
> > deaf
> > > > > community. I don't know. But I know of NO other university
> > where
> > > > > the students have an active part of a selection process of
> > such a
> > > > > position at the school. Why should it be different at
> > Gallaudet?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen"
> > > > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks, that was my impression, but it isn't clear what
> the
> > > > > > protesting are hoping will happen, other than the
incoming
> > > > > president
> > > > > > be ousted. Many people president-age learned ASL as
> adults,
> > as
> > > > > > you're saying. That's not their fault--at least they know
> > it.
> > > > > Isn't
> > > > > > that better than not knowing it? How do the protesters
> know
> > anyone
> > > > > > else would be any better? To at least this outsider, both
> > > > > culturally
> > > > > > and geographically, they appear to be overreacting, but
> who
> > knows.
> > > > > > Out of hand because if the school is shut down I would
> think
> > that
> > > > > > would be most people's definition of out of hand. But
they
> > could
> > > > > > just be thinking OK the protesters won because they
forced
> > us to
> > > > > shut
> > > > > > the school. Are they happy now? I hope this gets resolved
> > soon
> > > > > and
> > > > > > that it isn't the beginning of the end of Gallaudet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Daria Akers"
> > > > > > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It depends on what is out of hand. I will give you what
> I
> > > > > understand
> > > > > > > but I am not deaf so I in now way want to speak for
> those
> > who are
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > I am very interested in deaf culture so I might have
> some
> > insight
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > offer.
> > > > > > > The first deaf president of Gallaudet (I. King Jordan)
> was
> > > > > ushered
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > on the back of protests. That was almost 18 years ago.
> Now
> > he is
> > > > > > upset
> > > > > > > at this one...seems odd to me.
> > > > > > > There are many different issues. Some believe that the
> > cultural
> > > > > > > diversity of the student body is not being considered
> > enough
> > > > > > > (representatives on the Board and in school officials),
> > some
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > say that there is discrimination on campus, some people
> > think the
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > president is a bad representative for the deaf
> community,
> > some
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > that she isn't a strong leader.
> > > > > > > The deaf community has changed significantly in the
last
> > few
> > > > > > decades.
> > > > > > > It used to be that in the 50s and 60s deaf people would
> > learn to
> > > > > lip
> > > > > > > read and attempted to integrate into the non-deaf
> > community by
> > > > > > > learning to talk. Many deaf people never even used ASL
> > (American
> > > > > > Sign
> > > > > > > Language). Older generations are looked at sometimes
> > viewed by
> > > > > young
> > > > > > > deaf people like black people who used to pass as
> whites.
> > Like
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > weren't proud or accepting of who they were. Now most
> deaf
> > people
> > > > > > > learn ASL and request interpreters to talk to non-deaf
> > people.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > president didn't learn ASL until she was in her 20s.
> > > > > > > So that's my 2 cents (okay more like 50 but...)
> > > > > > > Daria
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10/12/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Can someone please fill me in on the Gallaudet
> situation?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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