God James, you are such an IDIOT!
--- In [email protected], "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> oh, then nevermind! I'm obviously only here for the dumb stuff.
>
> --- In [email protected], "Ellen"
> <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> >
> > the president-elect IS deaf, but she didn't learn sign language
> until
> > her '20's. so what? At least she's deaf. How do the students
> know
> > if she'll be a good president anyway? If I remember correctly
the
> > last presidential protest was because the president-elect wasn't
> deaf
> > at all, and that was unacceptable, which I sort of understand
> more.
> > It seems it's really getting to a point where the students are
just
> > protesting for the sake of protesting, which can be dangerous.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], James <ttlsccr@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not sure it's possible to compare large universities with
> > diverse student bodies to smaller schools at which the students
are
> > bonded by common characteristics. Are there any traditionally
> black
> > colleges with white presidents? Religious schools with shrewd
and
> > well-connected atheists at the helm? I'm not sure and am too
lazy
> to
> > research it. But I think such a hiring at one of these schools
> would
> > provoke the same kind of outcry. I was impressed, while I was
> there,
> > that a large portion of a mostly white, mostly affluent student
> body
> > was so vehemently against GWU's massive investment in South
Africa
> > during apartheid. But really, if there was a Springsteen
concert
> that
> > night? Nada. Protesting was mostly something done between bong
> hits.
> > So if these kids want to shut down their school and fight for
> what's
> > important to them, hell yeah let 'em do it. At least they aren't
> > burning anything down. Go Terps!
> > >
> > > Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: I don't understand
what's
> > so bad about lipreading augmented by sign
> > > language. Face it, most hearing people are not going to learn
> sign
> > > language unless they have deaf people in their lives--family,
> friends,
> > > coworkers, etc. If deaf people only know sign language they are
> > > isolating themselves from the outside world. No
> other "differently
> > > abled" people CHOOSE to totally insulate/isolate themselves
from
> the
> > > rest of society. Sometimes that choice is made for them,
whether
> they
> > > want it or not because someone decides the persona cannot
> function in
> > > mainstream society. But most people I know if they had a
handicap
> > > they would want to do everything possible to prevent it from
> > > interfering with their regular lives. I am blind without my
> glasses.
> > > Would I rather hang out with other blind people because they
are
> the
> > > only ones who can understand what I'm going through? Or would I
> > > rather wear glasses so I can correct the problem and function
in
> > > mainstream society? I will take the glasses. I know deaf
people
> also
> > > have a problem with cochlear implants. Give me a break. LIFE IS
> > > EASIER IF YOU CAN HEAR THAN IF YOU CAN'T HEAR! Can you hear me
> now?
> > > I realize I can't speak for deaf people, but I would imagine
they
> > > would feel like they are missing out on certain things that
> can't be
> > > replicated in sign language or even lip reading--sounds that
> aren't
> > > words like music and wind and rain and waves crashing and
> applause, etc.
> > >
> > > There was a deaf person in this group, haven't heard from him
in
> a
> > > while. Zithromaximus or something like that. If you're still
> around,
> > > care to give your 2c?
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], Diane Lochner
> > > <dlochund@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's been my experience that a lot of colleges do bring
> students to
> > > the table (ok, so maybe it's a token seat, but still a
> seat/voice.)
> > > My university did bring students into the process...We had a
> student
> > > member of the state board of higher education (who could
> vote...the
> > > faculty member of the state board could not) and we had a
> student on
> > > the presidential search committee. They also held "town hall
> meeting"
> > > type events fror students, where those who had an interest
could
> come
> > > meet, address, and ask questions of the candidates. It was an
> > > official part of the campus interview process. I believe the
> student
> > > government leaders had one-on-one meetings with each candidate
> as well.
> > > >
> > > > This was a decent-sized state institution, in the midwest,
and
> for
> > > the most part, we'd always had good relations between students
> and the
> > > administration.
> > > >
> > > > That all said, I agree with Amy, perhaps things are
different
> in
> > > the deaf community? Certainly, I can see how it would be
> important to
> > > some at Gallaudet that their president be fully immersed and
> aware of
> > > deaf culture...perhaps part of the disagreement is the degree
to
> which
> > > the incoming president is or is not immersed/aware/etc?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > algriner1 <algriner1@> wrote:
> > > > What bothers me as an outsider viewing this situation, is
> > > that the
> > > > students appear, in part, angry because they were not
included
> in the
> > > > process to select the new president. Now, I went to a fine
> > > > institution of higher learning (University of Nebraska,
where
> the Big
> > > > Red "N" on the side of the football stadium stands
> for "Nowledge").
> > > > While I was in attendance, we had a selection process for a
> new
> > > > President (or Chancellor, I don't remember which, but for
this
> > > > situation it doesn't matter). As a student I did not agree
> with the
> > > > choice. I was VEHEMENTLY opposed. I was in Environmental
> Studies,
> > > > involved in Ecology Now, helped start putting recycling bins
> in all
> > > > the buildings, that sort of thing. The guy tapped was
> partially
> > > > selected because of his closeness to certain companies that
> would
> > > > funnel money to the school for agricultural research,
> specifically
> > > > research to develop and promote genetically modified seeds
and
> > > > crops. Yeah, I had a problem with that. LOTS of students had
a
> > > > problem with that.
> > > >
> > > > Did we have a say, as students, in the selection process?
No.
> The
> > > > selection was the responsibility of the Board of Regents.
They
> > > > reviewed applicants, interviewed, and selected. No input
from
> the
> > > > student body at all. Of course, that's just how it was.
Their
> job
> > > > was to make sure the school functioned, our job was to
study,
> learn,
> > > > become adults, and graduate. We all did our job. School went
> on.
> > > >
> > > > The Gallaudet situation is troublesome because it appears
that
> the
> > > > students are complaining because they didn't get to pick the
> > > > president or didn't have a voice in the selection. Guess
> > > > what...that's the way universities function. Get over it.
Quit
> > > > whining and move on. It just smacks of too much of an
> expectation of
> > > > getting exactly what you want, all the time.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I'm being too harsh...maybe things are different in
the
> deaf
> > > > community. I don't know. But I know of NO other university
> where
> > > > the students have an active part of a selection process of
> such a
> > > > position at the school. Why should it be different at
> Gallaudet?
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen"
> > > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks, that was my impression, but it isn't clear what
the
> > > > > protesting are hoping will happen, other than the incoming
> > > > president
> > > > > be ousted. Many people president-age learned ASL as
adults,
> as
> > > > > you're saying. That's not their fault--at least they know
> it.
> > > > Isn't
> > > > > that better than not knowing it? How do the protesters
know
> anyone
> > > > > else would be any better? To at least this outsider, both
> > > > culturally
> > > > > and geographically, they appear to be overreacting, but
who
> knows.
> > > > > Out of hand because if the school is shut down I would
think
> that
> > > > > would be most people's definition of out of hand. But they
> could
> > > > > just be thinking OK the protesters won because they forced
> us to
> > > > shut
> > > > > the school. Are they happy now? I hope this gets resolved
> soon
> > > > and
> > > > > that it isn't the beginning of the end of Gallaudet.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Daria Akers"
> > > > > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It depends on what is out of hand. I will give you what
I
> > > > understand
> > > > > > but I am not deaf so I in now way want to speak for
those
> who are
> > > > > but
> > > > > > I am very interested in deaf culture so I might have
some
> insight
> > > > to
> > > > > > offer.
> > > > > > The first deaf president of Gallaudet (I. King Jordan)
was
> > > > ushered
> > > > > in
> > > > > > on the back of protests. That was almost 18 years ago.
Now
> he is
> > > > > upset
> > > > > > at this one...seems odd to me.
> > > > > > There are many different issues. Some believe that the
> cultural
> > > > > > diversity of the student body is not being considered
> enough
> > > > > > (representatives on the Board and in school officials),
> some
> > > > people
> > > > > > say that there is discrimination on campus, some people
> think the
> > > > > new
> > > > > > president is a bad representative for the deaf
community,
> some
> > > > think
> > > > > > that she isn't a strong leader.
> > > > > > The deaf community has changed significantly in the last
> few
> > > > > decades.
> > > > > > It used to be that in the 50s and 60s deaf people would
> learn to
> > > > lip
> > > > > > read and attempted to integrate into the non-deaf
> community by
> > > > > > learning to talk. Many deaf people never even used ASL
> (American
> > > > > Sign
> > > > > > Language). Older generations are looked at sometimes
> viewed by
> > > > young
> > > > > > deaf people like black people who used to pass as
whites.
> Like
> > > > they
> > > > > > weren't proud or accepting of who they were. Now most
deaf
> people
> > > > > > learn ASL and request interpreters to talk to non-deaf
> people.
> > > > The
> > > > > new
> > > > > > president didn't learn ASL until she was in her 20s.
> > > > > > So that's my 2 cents (okay more like 50 but...)
> > > > > > Daria
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 10/12/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > > > > Can someone please fill me in on the Gallaudet
situation?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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