The president-elect has been the Provost at the school for awhile. Many of the students think that she lacks social skills and that she isn't a good representative for the school. Maybe outsiders (those not in the deaf society) are making a bigger issue out of her attempting to pass. (Yes I know it is easier to be accepted...some would also say it would be easier to just be hetrosexual to those who are gay...)
Here is an interesting article from someone who is deaf. She supports Fernandes but has insight into some of the other issues.
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art42792.asp
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art42792.asp
On 10/12/06, Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the president-elect IS deaf, but she didn't learn sign language until
her '20's. so what? At least she's deaf. How do the students know
if she'll be a good president anyway? If I remember correctly the
last presidential protest was because the president-elect wasn't deaf
at all, and that was unacceptable, which I sort of understand more.
It seems it's really getting to a point where the students are just
protesting for the sake of protesting, which can be dangerous.
--- In [email protected], James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure it's possible to compare large universities with
diverse student bodies to smaller schools at which the students are
bonded by common characteristics. Are there any traditionally black
colleges with white presidents? Religious schools with shrewd and
well-connected atheists at the helm? I'm not sure and am too lazy to
research it. But I think such a hiring at one of these schools would
provoke the same kind of outcry. I was impressed, while I was there,
that a large portion of a mostly white, mostly affluent student body
was so vehemently against GWU's massive investment in South Africa
during apartheid. But really, if there was a Springsteen concert that
night? Nada. Protesting was mostly something done between bong hits.
So if these kids want to shut down their school and fight for what's
important to them, hell yeah let 'em do it. At least they aren't
burning anything down. Go Terps!
>
> Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't understand what's
so bad about lipreading augmented by sign
> language. Face it, most hearing people are not going to learn sign
> language unless they have deaf people in their lives--family, friends,
> coworkers, etc. If deaf people only know sign language they are
> isolating themselves from the outside world. No other "differently
> abled" people CHOOSE to totally insulate/isolate themselves from the
> rest of society. Sometimes that choice is made for them, whether they
> want it or not because someone decides the persona cannot function in
> mainstream society. But most people I know if they had a handicap
> they would want to do everything possible to prevent it from
> interfering with their regular lives. I am blind without my glasses.
> Would I rather hang out with other blind people because they are the
> only ones who can understand what I'm going through? Or would I
> rather wear glasses so I can correct the problem and function in
> mainstream society? I will take the glasses. I know deaf people also
> have a problem with cochlear implants. Give me a break. LIFE IS
> EASIER IF YOU CAN HEAR THAN IF YOU CAN'T HEAR! Can you hear me now?
> I realize I can't speak for deaf people, but I would imagine they
> would feel like they are missing out on certain things that can't be
> replicated in sign language or even lip reading--sounds that aren't
> words like music and wind and rain and waves crashing and applause, etc.
>
> There was a deaf person in this group, haven't heard from him in a
> while. Zithromaximus or something like that. If you're still around,
> care to give your 2c?
>
> --- In [email protected] , Diane Lochner
> <dlochund@> wrote:
> >
> > It's been my experience that a lot of colleges do bring students to
> the table (ok, so maybe it's a token seat, but still a seat/voice.)
> My university did bring students into the process...We had a student
> member of the state board of higher education (who could vote...the
> faculty member of the state board could not) and we had a student on
> the presidential search committee. They also held "town hall meeting"
> type events fror students, where those who had an interest could come
> meet, address, and ask questions of the candidates. It was an
> official part of the campus interview process. I believe the student
> government leaders had one-on-one meetings with each candidate as well.
> >
> > This was a decent-sized state institution, in the midwest, and for
> the most part, we'd always had good relations between students and the
> administration.
> >
> > That all said, I agree with Amy, perhaps things are different in
> the deaf community? Certainly, I can see how it would be important to
> some at Gallaudet that their president be fully immersed and aware of
> deaf culture...perhaps part of the disagreement is the degree to which
> the incoming president is or is not immersed/aware/etc?
> >
> >
> >
> > algriner1 <algriner1@> wrote:
> > What bothers me as an outsider viewing this situation, is
> that the
> > students appear, in part, angry because they were not included in the
> > process to select the new president. Now, I went to a fine
> > institution of higher learning (University of Nebraska, where the Big
> > Red "N" on the side of the football stadium stands for "Nowledge").
> > While I was in attendance, we had a selection process for a new
> > President (or Chancellor, I don't remember which, but for this
> > situation it doesn't matter). As a student I did not agree with the
> > choice. I was VEHEMENTLY opposed. I was in Environmental Studies,
> > involved in Ecology Now, helped start putting recycling bins in all
> > the buildings, that sort of thing. The guy tapped was partially
> > selected because of his closeness to certain companies that would
> > funnel money to the school for agricultural research, specifically
> > research to develop and promote genetically modified seeds and
> > crops. Yeah, I had a problem with that. LOTS of students had a
> > problem with that.
> >
> > Did we have a say, as students, in the selection process? No. The
> > selection was the responsibility of the Board of Regents. They
> > reviewed applicants, interviewed, and selected. No input from the
> > student body at all. Of course, that's just how it was. Their job
> > was to make sure the school functioned, our job was to study, learn,
> > become adults, and graduate. We all did our job. School went on.
> >
> > The Gallaudet situation is troublesome because it appears that the
> > students are complaining because they didn't get to pick the
> > president or didn't have a voice in the selection. Guess
> > what...that's the way universities function. Get over it. Quit
> > whining and move on. It just smacks of too much of an expectation of
> > getting exactly what you want, all the time.
> >
> > Maybe I'm being too harsh...maybe things are different in the deaf
> > community. I don't know. But I know of NO other university where
> > the students have an active part of a selection process of such a
> > position at the school. Why should it be different at Gallaudet?
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Ellen"
> > <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > >
> > > thanks, that was my impression, but it isn't clear what the
> > > protesting are hoping will happen, other than the incoming
> > president
> > > be ousted. Many people president-age learned ASL as adults, as
> > > you're saying. That's not their fault--at least they know it.
> > Isn't
> > > that better than not knowing it? How do the protesters know anyone
> > > else would be any better? To at least this outsider, both
> > culturally
> > > and geographically, they appear to be overreacting, but who knows.
> > > Out of hand because if the school is shut down I would think that
> > > would be most people's definition of out of hand. But they could
> > > just be thinking OK the protesters won because they forced us to
> > shut
> > > the school. Are they happy now? I hope this gets resolved soon
> > and
> > > that it isn't the beginning of the end of Gallaudet.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected] , "Daria Akers"
> > > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It depends on what is out of hand. I will give you what I
> > understand
> > > > but I am not deaf so I in now way want to speak for those who are
> > > but
> > > > I am very interested in deaf culture so I might have some insight
> > to
> > > > offer.
> > > > The first deaf president of Gallaudet (I. King Jordan) was
> > ushered
> > > in
> > > > on the back of protests. That was almost 18 years ago. Now he is
> > > upset
> > > > at this one...seems odd to me.
> > > > There are many different issues. Some believe that the cultural
> > > > diversity of the student body is not being considered enough
> > > > (representatives on the Board and in school officials), some
> > people
> > > > say that there is discrimination on campus, some people think the
> > > new
> > > > president is a bad representative for the deaf community, some
> > think
> > > > that she isn't a strong leader.
> > > > The deaf community has changed significantly in the last few
> > > decades.
> > > > It used to be that in the 50s and 60s deaf people would learn to
> > lip
> > > > read and attempted to integrate into the non-deaf community by
> > > > learning to talk. Many deaf people never even used ASL (American
> > > Sign
> > > > Language). Older generations are looked at sometimes viewed by
> > young
> > > > deaf people like black people who used to pass as whites. Like
> > they
> > > > weren't proud or accepting of who they were. Now most deaf people
> > > > learn ASL and request interpreters to talk to non-deaf people.
> > The
> > > new
> > > > president didn't learn ASL until she was in her 20s.
> > > > So that's my 2 cents (okay more like 50 but...)
> > > > Daria
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/12/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > > Can someone please fill me in on the Gallaudet situation?
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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