oh, then nevermind! I'm obviously only here for the dumb stuff.
--- In [email protected], "Ellen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> the president-elect IS deaf, but she didn't learn sign language
until
> her '20's. so what? At least she's deaf. How do the students
know
> if she'll be a good president anyway? If I remember correctly the
> last presidential protest was because the president-elect wasn't
deaf
> at all, and that was unacceptable, which I sort of understand
more.
> It seems it's really getting to a point where the students are just
> protesting for the sake of protesting, which can be dangerous.
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], James <ttlsccr@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure it's possible to compare large universities with
> diverse student bodies to smaller schools at which the students are
> bonded by common characteristics. Are there any traditionally
black
> colleges with white presidents? Religious schools with shrewd and
> well-connected atheists at the helm? I'm not sure and am too lazy
to
> research it. But I think such a hiring at one of these schools
would
> provoke the same kind of outcry. I was impressed, while I was
there,
> that a large portion of a mostly white, mostly affluent student
body
> was so vehemently against GWU's massive investment in South Africa
> during apartheid. But really, if there was a Springsteen concert
that
> night? Nada. Protesting was mostly something done between bong
hits.
> So if these kids want to shut down their school and fight for
what's
> important to them, hell yeah let 'em do it. At least they aren't
> burning anything down. Go Terps!
> >
> > Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: I don't understand what's
> so bad about lipreading augmented by sign
> > language. Face it, most hearing people are not going to learn
sign
> > language unless they have deaf people in their lives--family,
friends,
> > coworkers, etc. If deaf people only know sign language they are
> > isolating themselves from the outside world. No
other "differently
> > abled" people CHOOSE to totally insulate/isolate themselves from
the
> > rest of society. Sometimes that choice is made for them, whether
they
> > want it or not because someone decides the persona cannot
function in
> > mainstream society. But most people I know if they had a handicap
> > they would want to do everything possible to prevent it from
> > interfering with their regular lives. I am blind without my
glasses.
> > Would I rather hang out with other blind people because they are
the
> > only ones who can understand what I'm going through? Or would I
> > rather wear glasses so I can correct the problem and function in
> > mainstream society? I will take the glasses. I know deaf people
also
> > have a problem with cochlear implants. Give me a break. LIFE IS
> > EASIER IF YOU CAN HEAR THAN IF YOU CAN'T HEAR! Can you hear me
now?
> > I realize I can't speak for deaf people, but I would imagine they
> > would feel like they are missing out on certain things that
can't be
> > replicated in sign language or even lip reading--sounds that
aren't
> > words like music and wind and rain and waves crashing and
applause, etc.
> >
> > There was a deaf person in this group, haven't heard from him in
a
> > while. Zithromaximus or something like that. If you're still
around,
> > care to give your 2c?
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Diane Lochner
> > <dlochund@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's been my experience that a lot of colleges do bring
students to
> > the table (ok, so maybe it's a token seat, but still a
seat/voice.)
> > My university did bring students into the process...We had a
student
> > member of the state board of higher education (who could
vote...the
> > faculty member of the state board could not) and we had a
student on
> > the presidential search committee. They also held "town hall
meeting"
> > type events fror students, where those who had an interest could
come
> > meet, address, and ask questions of the candidates. It was an
> > official part of the campus interview process. I believe the
student
> > government leaders had one-on-one meetings with each candidate
as well.
> > >
> > > This was a decent-sized state institution, in the midwest, and
for
> > the most part, we'd always had good relations between students
and the
> > administration.
> > >
> > > That all said, I agree with Amy, perhaps things are different
in
> > the deaf community? Certainly, I can see how it would be
important to
> > some at Gallaudet that their president be fully immersed and
aware of
> > deaf culture...perhaps part of the disagreement is the degree to
which
> > the incoming president is or is not immersed/aware/etc?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > algriner1 <algriner1@> wrote:
> > > What bothers me as an outsider viewing this situation, is
> > that the
> > > students appear, in part, angry because they were not included
in the
> > > process to select the new president. Now, I went to a fine
> > > institution of higher learning (University of Nebraska, where
the Big
> > > Red "N" on the side of the football stadium stands
for "Nowledge").
> > > While I was in attendance, we had a selection process for a
new
> > > President (or Chancellor, I don't remember which, but for this
> > > situation it doesn't matter). As a student I did not agree
with the
> > > choice. I was VEHEMENTLY opposed. I was in Environmental
Studies,
> > > involved in Ecology Now, helped start putting recycling bins
in all
> > > the buildings, that sort of thing. The guy tapped was
partially
> > > selected because of his closeness to certain companies that
would
> > > funnel money to the school for agricultural research,
specifically
> > > research to develop and promote genetically modified seeds and
> > > crops. Yeah, I had a problem with that. LOTS of students had a
> > > problem with that.
> > >
> > > Did we have a say, as students, in the selection process? No.
The
> > > selection was the responsibility of the Board of Regents. They
> > > reviewed applicants, interviewed, and selected. No input from
the
> > > student body at all. Of course, that's just how it was. Their
job
> > > was to make sure the school functioned, our job was to study,
learn,
> > > become adults, and graduate. We all did our job. School went
on.
> > >
> > > The Gallaudet situation is troublesome because it appears that
the
> > > students are complaining because they didn't get to pick the
> > > president or didn't have a voice in the selection. Guess
> > > what...that's the way universities function. Get over it. Quit
> > > whining and move on. It just smacks of too much of an
expectation of
> > > getting exactly what you want, all the time.
> > >
> > > Maybe I'm being too harsh...maybe things are different in the
deaf
> > > community. I don't know. But I know of NO other university
where
> > > the students have an active part of a selection process of
such a
> > > position at the school. Why should it be different at
Gallaudet?
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen"
> > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > thanks, that was my impression, but it isn't clear what the
> > > > protesting are hoping will happen, other than the incoming
> > > president
> > > > be ousted. Many people president-age learned ASL as adults,
as
> > > > you're saying. That's not their fault--at least they know
it.
> > > Isn't
> > > > that better than not knowing it? How do the protesters know
anyone
> > > > else would be any better? To at least this outsider, both
> > > culturally
> > > > and geographically, they appear to be overreacting, but who
knows.
> > > > Out of hand because if the school is shut down I would think
that
> > > > would be most people's definition of out of hand. But they
could
> > > > just be thinking OK the protesters won because they forced
us to
> > > shut
> > > > the school. Are they happy now? I hope this gets resolved
soon
> > > and
> > > > that it isn't the beginning of the end of Gallaudet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Daria Akers"
> > > > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It depends on what is out of hand. I will give you what I
> > > understand
> > > > > but I am not deaf so I in now way want to speak for those
who are
> > > > but
> > > > > I am very interested in deaf culture so I might have some
insight
> > > to
> > > > > offer.
> > > > > The first deaf president of Gallaudet (I. King Jordan) was
> > > ushered
> > > > in
> > > > > on the back of protests. That was almost 18 years ago. Now
he is
> > > > upset
> > > > > at this one...seems odd to me.
> > > > > There are many different issues. Some believe that the
cultural
> > > > > diversity of the student body is not being considered
enough
> > > > > (representatives on the Board and in school officials),
some
> > > people
> > > > > say that there is discrimination on campus, some people
think the
> > > > new
> > > > > president is a bad representative for the deaf community,
some
> > > think
> > > > > that she isn't a strong leader.
> > > > > The deaf community has changed significantly in the last
few
> > > > decades.
> > > > > It used to be that in the 50s and 60s deaf people would
learn to
> > > lip
> > > > > read and attempted to integrate into the non-deaf
community by
> > > > > learning to talk. Many deaf people never even used ASL
(American
> > > > Sign
> > > > > Language). Older generations are looked at sometimes
viewed by
> > > young
> > > > > deaf people like black people who used to pass as whites.
Like
> > > they
> > > > > weren't proud or accepting of who they were. Now most deaf
people
> > > > > learn ASL and request interpreters to talk to non-deaf
people.
> > > The
> > > > new
> > > > > president didn't learn ASL until she was in her 20s.
> > > > > So that's my 2 cents (okay more like 50 but...)
> > > > > Daria
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/12/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > > > Can someone please fill me in on the Gallaudet situation?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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