I wasn't just being critical for the sake of being critical; I was trying to give an extreme version of your point, as I saw it. I think that Maureen and Eleanor have already covered all the basics a lot more eloquently than I could, so I won't go on.
I do want to try one more parallel for you. You said that in school you were criticized for not being "Jewish enough." I agree that this is unfair, and also that people in the deaf community shouldn't be criticized for not being "Deaf enough." However, I think you would agree that you should not ever be the leader of the Jewish community (whoever that would be), and similarly, someone that does not fully embrace the tenets of the deaf community should not be the leader of the deaf community, and that is what, in essence, the president of Gallaudet is. I think that is the crux of the argument for the student protesters. --- In [email protected], "Ellen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I could be totally off base, but I sort of get the impression you are > criticizing just for the sake of being critical, but whatever. > > --- In [email protected], "dvm8375" > <muellerdana@> wrote: > > > > By your logic, should black people lighten their skin to have > better > > social/professional/etc. opportunities too? > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > I guess my issue is that deaf people who don't lip-read can only > > > communicate with each other or people who happened to learn sign > > > language out of interest or in order to communicate with deaf > > people > > > in their lives. Do deaf people really think lipreading is such a > > bad > > > thing? I wonder if most deaf people don't honestly wish they > > could > > > hear. I don't think any blind people don't wish they could see. > > Yes > > > of course in a concert you can hear the vibrations, etc., you can > > see > > > people clapping, you learn ways around it. But don't you think > > you > > > have more professional, social, etc. opportunities if you can > hear > > > what is going on around you? I realize there are two different > > but > > > related issues, lipreading and cochlear implants or other devices > > > to "cure" deafness. I don't think I'm being harsh, just > > realistic. > > > You are welcome to disagree, but that is how I feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Daria Akers" > > > > <daria.akers@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Fully enjoy? Humm.... they don't enjoy them like you do but > > that > > > > doesn't > > > > > mean that they enjoy them less. I would insert the article > > from > > > the > > > > Post a > > > > > few months ago about the deaf interpreters at the Billy Joel > > > > concert. Great > > > > > article. > > > > > Besides people who are differently-abled sometimes do things > > that > > > > we never > > > > > even thought about..... This video is a perfect example: > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBv79LKfMt4 > > > > > I've personally never thought about trying to learn to echo > > > locate > > > > because I > > > > > don't have to but sure would be cool. > > > > > Ok that had nothing to do with what we were talking about but > > > it's > > > > soooo > > > > > COOL. > > > > > Daria > > > > > > > > > > On 10/12/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > gay vs. deaf is apples and oranges--I'm not talking about > > > > acceptance > > > > > > vs. discrimination like is the issue with the gay > community, > > I'm > > > > > > talking about being able to to fully participate in > > society. > > > Gay > > > > > > people can fully participate in society, except for getting > > > > married. > > > > > > They can fully enjoy concerts, movies, plays, waves > > crashing, > > > rain > > > > > > against the window, etc. It's not an issue of "getting > away > > > with" > > > > > > being a hearing person, it's an issue of being able to fully > > > > > > participate in/enjoy all life has to offer. IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weingartenchatters/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weingartenchatters/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
