I'm not sure if she thought they would be illegimate per se, but that is the impression I got from this:
Rauch Kennedy, who is Episcopalian but took required classes with Kennedy to be married in a Catholic church, said she fought the annulment "almost entirely because we had two children." --- In [email protected], Emeraldax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have to wonder why this couple isn't still married, given how much they seem to share a love of semantics. It's 2007 for frick's sake. She doesn't want the kids to be illegitimate?!?! > > Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: his ex wife Sheila said that Joe was full of you know what if he > really believed the marriage was flawed from the get-go, after 12 > years and twin boys. However, she said she mostly did it because > didn't want the kids to be illegitimate, which is never the case with > annulments. The kids are always legitimate if the parents were > married in the first place. > > --- In [email protected], "l1ndylady" <geniec87@> > wrote: > > > > I'm sorry I was just being nosy and wondering if I had mnissed > > something. what caused the annulment to be reversed? > > > > Just like Jewish, Catholics have a lot of guilt which often makes > us > > a but wry and funny. Besides Catholic school uniforms are funny > > looking > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > Joe Kennedy II, one of Bobby Kennedy's 11 children, got his 11 > year > > > old annulment reversed by the vatican yesterday or the day > before. > > > He and his ex wife live in Boston, as do I, so it was on the > local > > > news and in the papers. I was kind of aware of the annulment > > thing, > > > but it made me wonder why divorce was such a big deal in > > Catholicism, > > > or not recognized, or whatever. I realize this group is supposed > > to > > > be humor-centric, or at least Gene-centric, but Gene talks about > > > religion all the time so I though y'all might have some insight. > > > Several folks have mentioned their Catholic school upbringing, so > I > > > figured they would know more about it than I do. If a topic is > not > > > of interest to the chatters it tends to be ignored, so I figured > > > either people would reply or not find it of interest and not > reply, > > > in which case it would fade away. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "l1ndylady" > <geniec87@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Cheating on your spouse breaks the 10 comandments (coveting thy > > > > neighbors wife) > > > > as such it is frowned upon because it is a sin. > > > > Getting an annulment can be easy or hard depending on what > > dioscese > > > > you live in. In some cases it is not much harder to get then a > > > > divorce in others much harder. > > > > Ellen why are you asking about this? > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > > > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yeah, well, you know, people change, and become alcoholics, > and > > > > > criminals, and all kinds of fun things. What's the Catholic > > take > > > > on > > > > > infidelity and marriage and divorce? If someone is > unfaithful > > in > > > > the > > > > > marriage can they still not get divorced, or is that grounds > > for > > > > > annulment because obviously the marriage was flawed in the > > first > > > > > place? My understanding is that infidelity in Catholicism is > > > > really > > > > > bad. It's bad in Judaism too, but worse in Catholicism. Not > > > sure > > > > if > > > > > this is the case, though. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "dvm8375" > > > > > <muellerdana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That's all well and good, Ellen, but in traditional Jewish > > law, > > > > you > > > > > > would never be allowed to ask for a divorce; only your > > husband > > > > > > could. My parents were married by an Orthodox rabbi in > > Israel, > > > > and > > > > > > when my parents separated, she could file the civil > > > proceedings, > > > > > but > > > > > > she had to wait several years for my dad to pursue a "get" > > (he > > > > > > finally decided he wanted to remarry). The way she > describes > > > it, > > > > > it > > > > > > was a pretty humiliating experience, down to my > (alchoholic, > > > > > > abusive) father claiming she was an unfit wife and mother > and > > > > > > spitting on her. > > > > > > > > > > > > Before getting married in a Catholic church, the couple has > > to > > > > > > undergo mandatory pre-marriage counseling. Basically, the > > > church > > > > > > takes marriage seriously, and wants to do everything to > > > encourage > > > > > > couples to only enter the sacrament if they can stick it > out, > > > > > > therefore making divorce unnecessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > > > > > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jewish divorce isn't perfect by any means, but at least > it > > > > > exists. > > > > > > > BTW at least originally you didn't have to have a > > legitimate > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > to get divorced. You just told your wife you were > getting > > a > > > > > > divorce > > > > > > > and that was it. Met someone you liked better? No > > problem. > > > I > > > > > > think > > > > > > > there should be a happy medium between no divorce for any > > > > reason, > > > > > > any > > > > > > > divorce for no reason, but I would take the Jewish > process > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > lesser of 2 evils. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Max H." > > <MaxH42@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have found the use/interpretation of the Get by some > > > > Chasidic > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Lubavicher communities to be as hostile towards women > as > > > the > > > > > > > practices of > > > > > > > > many other fundamentalist religions. I think the > > difference > > > > is > > > > > > > that, as far > > > > > > > > as I am aware, those two sects don't hold significant > > > > political > > > > > > > power over > > > > > > > > any non-believers anywhere in the world, so their > beliefs > > > > only > > > > > > hold > > > > > > > sway > > > > > > > > over their adherents, as opposed to some certain > > > > fundamentalist > > > > > > > Christian, > > > > > > > > Muslim, and Hindu sects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Max > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Kennedy II's annulment of his first marriage was > > > > reversed > > > > > > 11 > > > > > > > > > years after the divorce, and he has since remarried. > in > > > the > > > > > > eyes > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the church he is still married to his first wife > > > > apparently. > > > > > > What > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the deal with Catholics and divorce? Jews have had > > > divorce > > > > no > > > > > > > > > problem since the religion began as far as I can > tell. > > > > > > Granted it > > > > > > > > > hasn't always been equitable between genders and > there > > > has > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > legitimate reasons, but it's better than it being > > > completely > > > > > > > > > forbidden. Is it because if a divorced person > > remarries > > > > they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > longer a virgin and therefore somehow sinful? Is it > a > > > sin > > > > to > > > > > > > realize > > > > > > > > > after the fact that you married the wrong person or > > that > > > > you > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > grew apart? Annulment says the marriage was flawed > > from > > > the > > > > > > > > > beginning. If you get divorced after 10 or 15 years > > that > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > > wasn't the case. I apologize for my naivete, but I > > truly > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > it. I guess because my religion's take is so totally > > > > > > different. > > > > > > > > > Jews are like, so you had sex with someone else > before > > > you > > > > > met > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > That's cool, no problem. You filled out the official > > > > > > paperwork to > > > > > > > > > end it, that's all that matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is serious stuff--if you get a divorce but not > an > > > > > > annulment > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Catholicism and you remarry you are basically > > committing > > > > > bigamy > > > > > > > > > apparently. No sacraments, no communion, etc. Can > > > someone > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > enlighten me as to the underlying reason for this? > > Thank > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. >
