I'm sorry I was just being nosy and wondering if I had mnissed something. what caused the annulment to be reversed?
Just like Jewish, Catholics have a lot of guilt which often makes us a but wry and funny. Besides Catholic school uniforms are funny looking --- In [email protected], "Ellen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Joe Kennedy II, one of Bobby Kennedy's 11 children, got his 11 year > old annulment reversed by the vatican yesterday or the day before. > He and his ex wife live in Boston, as do I, so it was on the local > news and in the papers. I was kind of aware of the annulment thing, > but it made me wonder why divorce was such a big deal in Catholicism, > or not recognized, or whatever. I realize this group is supposed to > be humor-centric, or at least Gene-centric, but Gene talks about > religion all the time so I though y'all might have some insight. > Several folks have mentioned their Catholic school upbringing, so I > figured they would know more about it than I do. If a topic is not > of interest to the chatters it tends to be ignored, so I figured > either people would reply or not find it of interest and not reply, > in which case it would fade away. > > --- In [email protected], "l1ndylady" <geniec87@> > wrote: > > > > Cheating on your spouse breaks the 10 comandments (coveting thy > > neighbors wife) > > as such it is frowned upon because it is a sin. > > Getting an annulment can be easy or hard depending on what dioscese > > you live in. In some cases it is not much harder to get then a > > divorce in others much harder. > > Ellen why are you asking about this? > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > yeah, well, you know, people change, and become alcoholics, and > > > criminals, and all kinds of fun things. What's the Catholic take > > on > > > infidelity and marriage and divorce? If someone is unfaithful in > > the > > > marriage can they still not get divorced, or is that grounds for > > > annulment because obviously the marriage was flawed in the first > > > place? My understanding is that infidelity in Catholicism is > > really > > > bad. It's bad in Judaism too, but worse in Catholicism. Not > sure > > if > > > this is the case, though. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "dvm8375" > > > <muellerdana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That's all well and good, Ellen, but in traditional Jewish law, > > you > > > > would never be allowed to ask for a divorce; only your husband > > > > could. My parents were married by an Orthodox rabbi in Israel, > > and > > > > when my parents separated, she could file the civil > proceedings, > > > but > > > > she had to wait several years for my dad to pursue a "get" (he > > > > finally decided he wanted to remarry). The way she describes > it, > > > it > > > > was a pretty humiliating experience, down to my (alchoholic, > > > > abusive) father claiming she was an unfit wife and mother and > > > > spitting on her. > > > > > > > > Before getting married in a Catholic church, the couple has to > > > > undergo mandatory pre-marriage counseling. Basically, the > church > > > > takes marriage seriously, and wants to do everything to > encourage > > > > couples to only enter the sacrament if they can stick it out, > > > > therefore making divorce unnecessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > > > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jewish divorce isn't perfect by any means, but at least it > > > exists. > > > > > BTW at least originally you didn't have to have a legitimate > > > > reason > > > > > to get divorced. You just told your wife you were getting a > > > > divorce > > > > > and that was it. Met someone you liked better? No problem. > I > > > > think > > > > > there should be a happy medium between no divorce for any > > reason, > > > > any > > > > > divorce for no reason, but I would take the Jewish process as > > the > > > > > lesser of 2 evils. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Max H." <MaxH42@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have found the use/interpretation of the Get by some > > Chasidic > > > > and > > > > > > Lubavicher communities to be as hostile towards women as > the > > > > > practices of > > > > > > many other fundamentalist religions. I think the difference > > is > > > > > that, as far > > > > > > as I am aware, those two sects don't hold significant > > political > > > > > power over > > > > > > any non-believers anywhere in the world, so their beliefs > > only > > > > hold > > > > > sway > > > > > > over their adherents, as opposed to some certain > > fundamentalist > > > > > Christian, > > > > > > Muslim, and Hindu sects. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Max > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Kennedy II's annulment of his first marriage was > > reversed > > > > 11 > > > > > > > years after the divorce, and he has since remarried. in > the > > > > eyes > > > > > of > > > > > > > the church he is still married to his first wife > > apparently. > > > > What > > > > > is > > > > > > > the deal with Catholics and divorce? Jews have had > divorce > > no > > > > > > > problem since the religion began as far as I can tell. > > > > Granted it > > > > > > > hasn't always been equitable between genders and there > has > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > legitimate reasons, but it's better than it being > completely > > > > > > > forbidden. Is it because if a divorced person remarries > > they > > > > are > > > > > no > > > > > > > longer a virgin and therefore somehow sinful? Is it a > sin > > to > > > > > realize > > > > > > > after the fact that you married the wrong person or that > > you > > > > > simply > > > > > > > grew apart? Annulment says the marriage was flawed from > the > > > > > > > beginning. If you get divorced after 10 or 15 years that > > > > probably > > > > > > > wasn't the case. I apologize for my naivete, but I truly > > > > don't > > > > > get > > > > > > > it. I guess because my religion's take is so totally > > > > different. > > > > > > > Jews are like, so you had sex with someone else before > you > > > met > > > > me. > > > > > > > That's cool, no problem. You filled out the official > > > > paperwork to > > > > > > > end it, that's all that matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is serious stuff--if you get a divorce but not an > > > > annulment > > > > > in > > > > > > > Catholicism and you remarry you are basically committing > > > bigamy > > > > > > > apparently. No sacraments, no communion, etc. Can > someone > > > > please > > > > > > > enlighten me as to the underlying reason for this? Thank > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
