yeah, well, you know, people change, and become alcoholics, and criminals, and all kinds of fun things. What's the Catholic take on infidelity and marriage and divorce? If someone is unfaithful in the marriage can they still not get divorced, or is that grounds for annulment because obviously the marriage was flawed in the first place? My understanding is that infidelity in Catholicism is really bad. It's bad in Judaism too, but worse in Catholicism. Not sure if this is the case, though.
--- In [email protected], "dvm8375" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's all well and good, Ellen, but in traditional Jewish law, you > would never be allowed to ask for a divorce; only your husband > could. My parents were married by an Orthodox rabbi in Israel, and > when my parents separated, she could file the civil proceedings, but > she had to wait several years for my dad to pursue a "get" (he > finally decided he wanted to remarry). The way she describes it, it > was a pretty humiliating experience, down to my (alchoholic, > abusive) father claiming she was an unfit wife and mother and > spitting on her. > > Before getting married in a Catholic church, the couple has to > undergo mandatory pre-marriage counseling. Basically, the church > takes marriage seriously, and wants to do everything to encourage > couples to only enter the sacrament if they can stick it out, > therefore making divorce unnecessary. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ellen" > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > Jewish divorce isn't perfect by any means, but at least it exists. > > BTW at least originally you didn't have to have a legitimate > reason > > to get divorced. You just told your wife you were getting a > divorce > > and that was it. Met someone you liked better? No problem. I > think > > there should be a happy medium between no divorce for any reason, > any > > divorce for no reason, but I would take the Jewish process as the > > lesser of 2 evils. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Max H." <MaxH42@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I have found the use/interpretation of the Get by some Chasidic > and > > > Lubavicher communities to be as hostile towards women as the > > practices of > > > many other fundamentalist religions. I think the difference is > > that, as far > > > as I am aware, those two sects don't hold significant political > > power over > > > any non-believers anywhere in the world, so their beliefs only > hold > > sway > > > over their adherents, as opposed to some certain fundamentalist > > Christian, > > > Muslim, and Hindu sects. > > > > > > -Max > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Joe Kennedy II's annulment of his first marriage was reversed > 11 > > > > years after the divorce, and he has since remarried. in the > eyes > > of > > > > the church he is still married to his first wife apparently. > What > > is > > > > the deal with Catholics and divorce? Jews have had divorce no > > > > problem since the religion began as far as I can tell. > Granted it > > > > hasn't always been equitable between genders and there has to > be > > > > legitimate reasons, but it's better than it being completely > > > > forbidden. Is it because if a divorced person remarries they > are > > no > > > > longer a virgin and therefore somehow sinful? Is it a sin to > > realize > > > > after the fact that you married the wrong person or that you > > simply > > > > grew apart? Annulment says the marriage was flawed from the > > > > beginning. If you get divorced after 10 or 15 years that > probably > > > > wasn't the case. I apologize for my naivete, but I truly > don't > > get > > > > it. I guess because my religion's take is so totally > different. > > > > Jews are like, so you had sex with someone else before you met > me. > > > > That's cool, no problem. You filled out the official > paperwork to > > > > end it, that's all that matters. > > > > > > > > This is serious stuff--if you get a divorce but not an > annulment > > in > > > > Catholicism and you remarry you are basically committing bigamy > > > > apparently. No sacraments, no communion, etc. Can someone > please > > > > enlighten me as to the underlying reason for this? Thank you. > > > > > > > > > >
