Hi Anil, I see we're on the same page here :-)
I'm not calling or suggesting universal protection of pages -- far from it -- it's not the wiki way. I'm looking for us to find solutions within the ambit of our consensus thinking to provide an indication to prospective editors to say "please don't edit this page" --- what I envisage is a template box which communicates this message -- including the range of reasons this may be necessary within the template box, without protecting the page. Does this make sense? W 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> > Dear Dr.Wayne, > > I think the ambit of consensus is so broad so that it can include consensus > to ‘do not edit’ :) such and such thing….by such and such members….on such > and such occasions etc etc Of course it has to deal with editing guidelines > and Policy for page protection also > > I am not challenging the cause to be got protected, but thinking about the > right documentation for the same. > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Anil, >> >> I think you're very right about consensus on resources where there is an >> intent to collaborate on the development of a "universal" resource which >> would be applicable in a wide variety of contexts. >> >> However, consider for example a Ugandan teacher who is developing an OER >> on Ugandan history for a Year 10 Class in accordance with the Ugandan >> national curriculum. For instance, lets say a New Zealand teacher discovers >> this resource for possible use in a social studies lesson on East Africa >> under the New Zealand curriculum. Obviously the New Zealand curriculum >> requirements will be different regarding emphasis, year level and learning >> objectives. I don't think that it would be fair on the Ugandan teacher for >> the New Zealand teacher to edit and change the resource. >> >> In this example -- I don't think that we are delaing with a collaboration >> VS protection issue. The Ugandan teacher would like to make his/her teaching >> materials avialble for adaptation and reuse in other contexts, but would not >> want teachers from other countries to alter the teaching materials in ways >> that it may not align with their national curriculum. (If you see what I >> mean.) >> >> I'm thinking here of ways to best communicate the intentions of the >> resource creator. Its not protected becuase the content is freely available >> to be copied and modified for use in another learning situation. >> >> On the other hand -- resources which are intended for univeral use (and >> ultimately part of an International Qualifications Framework) would need to >> focus and support WikiEducator's evolving consensus processes. >> >> Does this make sense? >> >> Cheers >> Wayne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >> >>> Dear Dr. Wayne and other friends, >>> >>> It is Collaboration Vs Protection; we need to fine tune >>> http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> WE is a unique educational wiki project in many respects. We are >>>> different, for example, from Wikipedia in the sense that our collaboration >>>> is not focused on developing an objective encyclopedia entry resulting from >>>> the micro-contributions of a large number of editors. At the same time, we >>>> benefit from the advantages associated with mass collaboration, for example >>>> shared training materials. >>>> >>>> Moreover, WE has organised itself as a community of educators working on >>>> a wide range of different OER artifacts, for example: open textbooks, OER >>>> courses for online teaching, learning activities based on external >>>> resources, lessons, articles and research papers, handouts, glossary >>>> projects for use as a reference resource, the establishment of project or >>>> community nodes, the development of funding proposals as free content etc. >>>> Other wiki projects within the OER landscape have organised themselves >>>> around the nature of the objects being produced, for instance: Encyclopedia >>>> articles in the case of Wikipedia <http://www.en.wikipedia.org/> or >>>> books in the case of Wikibooks <http://www.en.wikibooks.org/> . >>>> >>>> Therefore we need to think creatively about how our community develops >>>> procedures to support the attainment of our individual and collective aims, >>>> while respecting the intent of the original creators. For example: >>>> >>>> >>>> - There are institutions which develop courses on WikiEducator which >>>> are not intended for collaborative authoring due to local curriculum >>>> requirements. >>>> - There are individuals who develop materials on WikiEducator which >>>> they would like to make available for others to create derivative >>>> works, but >>>> would prefer not to have other educators edit their materials. >>>> - There are many projects in WikiEducator which are seeking wide >>>> collaboration and contributions from the community. >>>> >>>> So the question is: How do we support and respect educator contributions >>>> in WE given the different intentions of our individual contributions? >>>> >>>> Valerie has alerted my attention to this important topic (see: >>>> http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_(3)<http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_%283%29>) >>>> -- Thanks Valerie. So what is the best way to signify intent and >>>> "ownership" of OER materials in WikiEducator. How do we communicate and >>>> respect a contributor's intention where they do not want collaborative >>>> authoring and participation on their OER resources? If an educator finds a >>>> valuable resource they want to use and improve -- can they edit and change >>>> the resource without creating problems for the original authors resulting >>>> from their modifications? >>>> >>>> Clearly we need a mechanism to visually communicate the intent of the >>>> creator to prospective editors. We need a messaging system which says, for >>>> instance: >>>> >>>> >>>> - I need help and welcome WikiEducators to collaborate, edit and >>>> improve this resource, or >>>> - I have no problems if you copy this resource and modify for your >>>> own purposes -- but will appreciate if you don't make changes because >>>> I'm >>>> using this in my course, or >>>> - I don't mind editorial improvements but don't want editors to make >>>> substantive changes to my OER --- suggestions and comments are welcome >>>> on >>>> the corresponding talk page. >>>> >>>> It seems to me that we need a template or content infobox which clearly >>>> communicates the intent of the original OER creator in terms of >>>> "permissible" contributions and/or restrictions with regard to community >>>> edits. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? Are there any other intents than those listed above? >>>> >>>> You gotta love the WikiEducator project -- we're figuring out solutions >>>> that work for education. We're pioneering the future that has already >>>> happened :-). >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>> Director, >>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Warm regards >>> >>> Anil >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >> Director, >> International Centre for Open Education, >> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >> Skype: WGMNZ1 >> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >> >> >> -- >> Warm regards >> >> Anil >> >> >> >> -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. 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