Hi Savithri, You're right -- the educational issues relating to context and educators who may not want their teaching resources modified is an opportunity for WikiEducator to find creative solutions.
We're very fortunate to have a dedicated and experienced team from India who will help us to find the optimal solution! Seems that the template idea is the right way to go -- we'll fine tune the ideas based on feedback and develop a prototype template for review. Cheer Wayne 2009/10/20 Savithri Singh <[email protected]> > Have been reading the interesting thread started by Wayne and between Wayne > and Anil. I agree with Wayne that these are the kind of issues/questions > asked about WE - specially when some materials are created for a particular > context and people do not want it modified. In case we develop suitable > templates indicating the intend of the authors then it should be acceptable > > Savithri > > 2009/10/20 Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> > > Hi Anil, >> >> Good idea -- lets get this done based on the feedback we receive on the >> list :-) >> >> >> Cheers >> Wayne >> >> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >> >>> Dear Dr. Wayne, >>> >>> You are right. We may list out the instances with reason, the message to >>> be displayed for each instance, develop template and add it on consensus >>> page http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus under a proper >>> sub title. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anil, >>>> >>>> I see we're on the same page here :-) >>>> >>>> I'm not calling or suggesting universal protection of pages -- far from >>>> it -- it's not the wiki way. >>>> >>>> I'm looking for us to find solutions within the ambit of our consensus >>>> thinking to provide an indication to prospective editors to say "please >>>> don't edit this page" --- what I envisage is a template box which >>>> communicates this message -- including the range of reasons this may be >>>> necessary within the template box, without protecting the page. >>>> >>>> Does this make sense? >>>> >>>> >>>> W >>>> >>>> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> Dear Dr.Wayne, >>>>> >>>>> I think the ambit of consensus is so broad so that it can include >>>>> consensus to ‘do not edit’ :) such and such thing….by such and such >>>>> members….on such and such occasions etc etc Of course it has to deal with >>>>> editing guidelines and Policy for page protection also >>>>> >>>>> I am not challenging the cause to be got protected, but thinking about >>>>> the right documentation for the same. >>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Anil, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you're very right about consensus on resources where there is >>>>>> an intent to collaborate on the development of a "universal" resource >>>>>> which >>>>>> would be applicable in a wide variety of contexts. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, consider for example a Ugandan teacher who is developing an >>>>>> OER on Ugandan history for a Year 10 Class in accordance with the Ugandan >>>>>> national curriculum. For instance, lets say a New Zealand teacher >>>>>> discovers >>>>>> this resource for possible use in a social studies lesson on East Africa >>>>>> under the New Zealand curriculum. Obviously the New Zealand curriculum >>>>>> requirements will be different regarding emphasis, year level and >>>>>> learning >>>>>> objectives. I don't think that it would be fair on the Ugandan teacher >>>>>> for >>>>>> the New Zealand teacher to edit and change the resource. >>>>>> >>>>>> In this example -- I don't think that we are delaing with a >>>>>> collaboration VS protection issue. The Ugandan teacher would like to make >>>>>> his/her teaching materials avialble for adaptation and reuse in other >>>>>> contexts, but would not want teachers from other countries to alter the >>>>>> teaching materials in ways that it may not align with their national >>>>>> curriculum. (If you see what I mean.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm thinking here of ways to best communicate the intentions of the >>>>>> resource creator. Its not protected becuase the content is freely >>>>>> available >>>>>> to be copied and modified for use in another learning situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the other hand -- resources which are intended for univeral use >>>>>> (and ultimately part of an International Qualifications Framework) would >>>>>> need to focus and support WikiEducator's evolving consensus processes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this make sense? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Wayne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Dr. Wayne and other friends, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is Collaboration Vs Protection; we need to fine tune >>>>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WE is a unique educational wiki project in many respects. We are >>>>>>>> different, for example, from Wikipedia in the sense that our >>>>>>>> collaboration >>>>>>>> is not focused on developing an objective encyclopedia entry resulting >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> the micro-contributions of a large number of editors. At the same >>>>>>>> time, we >>>>>>>> benefit from the advantages associated with mass collaboration, for >>>>>>>> example >>>>>>>> shared training materials. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moreover, WE has organised itself as a community of educators >>>>>>>> working on a wide range of different OER artifacts, for example: open >>>>>>>> textbooks, OER courses for online teaching, learning activities based >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> external resources, lessons, articles and research papers, handouts, >>>>>>>> glossary projects for use as a reference resource, the establishment of >>>>>>>> project or community nodes, the development of funding proposals as >>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>> content etc. Other wiki projects within the OER landscape have >>>>>>>> organised >>>>>>>> themselves around the nature of the objects being produced, for >>>>>>>> instance: >>>>>>>> Encyclopedia articles in the case of >>>>>>>> Wikipedia<http://www.en.wikipedia.org/>or books in the case of >>>>>>>> Wikibooks <http://www.en.wikibooks.org/> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Therefore we need to think creatively about how our community >>>>>>>> develops procedures to support the attainment of our individual and >>>>>>>> collective aims, while respecting the intent of the original creators. >>>>>>>> For >>>>>>>> example: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - There are institutions which develop courses on WikiEducator >>>>>>>> which are not intended for collaborative authoring due to local >>>>>>>> curriculum >>>>>>>> requirements. >>>>>>>> - There are individuals who develop materials on WikiEducator >>>>>>>> which they would like to make available for others to create >>>>>>>> derivative >>>>>>>> works, but would prefer not to have other educators edit their >>>>>>>> materials. >>>>>>>> - There are many projects in WikiEducator which are seeking wide >>>>>>>> collaboration and contributions from the community. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So the question is: How do we support and respect educator >>>>>>>> contributions in WE given the different intentions of our individual >>>>>>>> contributions? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Valerie has alerted my attention to this important topic (see: >>>>>>>> http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_(3)<http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_%283%29>) >>>>>>>> -- Thanks Valerie. So what is the best way to signify intent and >>>>>>>> "ownership" of OER materials in WikiEducator. How do we communicate and >>>>>>>> respect a contributor's intention where they do not want collaborative >>>>>>>> authoring and participation on their OER resources? If an educator >>>>>>>> finds a >>>>>>>> valuable resource they want to use and improve -- can they edit and >>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>> the resource without creating problems for the original authors >>>>>>>> resulting >>>>>>>> from their modifications? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clearly we need a mechanism to visually communicate the intent of >>>>>>>> the creator to prospective editors. We need a messaging system which >>>>>>>> says, >>>>>>>> for instance: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - I need help and welcome WikiEducators to collaborate, edit and >>>>>>>> improve this resource, or >>>>>>>> - I have no problems if you copy this resource and modify for >>>>>>>> your own purposes -- but will appreciate if you don't make changes >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> I'm using this in my course, or >>>>>>>> - I don't mind editorial improvements but don't want editors to >>>>>>>> make substantive changes to my OER --- suggestions and comments are >>>>>>>> welcome >>>>>>>> on the corresponding talk page. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It seems to me that we need a template or content infobox which >>>>>>>> clearly communicates the intent of the original OER creator in terms of >>>>>>>> "permissible" contributions and/or restrictions with regard to >>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>> edits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thoughts? Are there any other intents than those listed above? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You gotta love the WikiEducator project -- we're figuring out >>>>>>>> solutions that work for education. We're pioneering the future that has >>>>>>>> already happened :-). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Warm regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anil >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>> Director, >>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Warm regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Anil >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>> Director, >>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Warm regards >>> >>> Anil >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >> Director, >> International Centre for Open Education, >> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >> Skype: WGMNZ1 >> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >> >> >> > > > -- > डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह > प्रधानाचार्य > आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज > ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) > गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी > नयी दिल्ली 110019 > > Dr. Savithri Singh > Principal > Acharya Narendra Dev College > (University of Delhi) > Govindpuri, Kalkaji > New Delhi 110 019 > > Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 > Fax: (011) 2629 4540 > Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 > > http://andcollege.du.ac.in > http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College > http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl > http://wikieducator.org/India > http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch > http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri > > > > > -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. 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