Hi Anil, Good idea -- lets get this done based on the feedback we receive on the list :-)
Cheers Wayne 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> > Dear Dr. Wayne, > > You are right. We may list out the instances with reason, the message to be > displayed for each instance, develop template and add it on consensus page > http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus under a proper sub > title. > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Anil, >> >> I see we're on the same page here :-) >> >> I'm not calling or suggesting universal protection of pages -- far from it >> -- it's not the wiki way. >> >> I'm looking for us to find solutions within the ambit of our consensus >> thinking to provide an indication to prospective editors to say "please >> don't edit this page" --- what I envisage is a template box which >> communicates this message -- including the range of reasons this may be >> necessary within the template box, without protecting the page. >> >> Does this make sense? >> >> >> W >> >> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >> >>> Dear Dr.Wayne, >>> >>> I think the ambit of consensus is so broad so that it can include >>> consensus to ‘do not edit’ :) such and such thing….by such and such >>> members….on such and such occasions etc etc Of course it has to deal with >>> editing guidelines and Policy for page protection also >>> >>> I am not challenging the cause to be got protected, but thinking about >>> the right documentation for the same. >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anil, >>>> >>>> I think you're very right about consensus on resources where there is an >>>> intent to collaborate on the development of a "universal" resource which >>>> would be applicable in a wide variety of contexts. >>>> >>>> However, consider for example a Ugandan teacher who is developing an OER >>>> on Ugandan history for a Year 10 Class in accordance with the Ugandan >>>> national curriculum. For instance, lets say a New Zealand teacher discovers >>>> this resource for possible use in a social studies lesson on East Africa >>>> under the New Zealand curriculum. Obviously the New Zealand curriculum >>>> requirements will be different regarding emphasis, year level and learning >>>> objectives. I don't think that it would be fair on the Ugandan teacher for >>>> the New Zealand teacher to edit and change the resource. >>>> >>>> In this example -- I don't think that we are delaing with a >>>> collaboration VS protection issue. The Ugandan teacher would like to make >>>> his/her teaching materials avialble for adaptation and reuse in other >>>> contexts, but would not want teachers from other countries to alter the >>>> teaching materials in ways that it may not align with their national >>>> curriculum. (If you see what I mean.) >>>> >>>> I'm thinking here of ways to best communicate the intentions of the >>>> resource creator. Its not protected becuase the content is freely available >>>> to be copied and modified for use in another learning situation. >>>> >>>> On the other hand -- resources which are intended for univeral use (and >>>> ultimately part of an International Qualifications Framework) would need to >>>> focus and support WikiEducator's evolving consensus processes. >>>> >>>> Does this make sense? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> Dear Dr. Wayne and other friends, >>>>> >>>>> It is Collaboration Vs Protection; we need to fine tune >>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> WE is a unique educational wiki project in many respects. We are >>>>>> different, for example, from Wikipedia in the sense that our >>>>>> collaboration >>>>>> is not focused on developing an objective encyclopedia entry resulting >>>>>> from >>>>>> the micro-contributions of a large number of editors. At the same time, >>>>>> we >>>>>> benefit from the advantages associated with mass collaboration, for >>>>>> example >>>>>> shared training materials. >>>>>> >>>>>> Moreover, WE has organised itself as a community of educators working >>>>>> on a wide range of different OER artifacts, for example: open textbooks, >>>>>> OER >>>>>> courses for online teaching, learning activities based on external >>>>>> resources, lessons, articles and research papers, handouts, glossary >>>>>> projects for use as a reference resource, the establishment of project or >>>>>> community nodes, the development of funding proposals as free content >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> Other wiki projects within the OER landscape have organised themselves >>>>>> around the nature of the objects being produced, for instance: >>>>>> Encyclopedia >>>>>> articles in the case of Wikipedia <http://www.en.wikipedia.org/> or >>>>>> books in the case of Wikibooks <http://www.en.wikibooks.org/> . >>>>>> >>>>>> Therefore we need to think creatively about how our community develops >>>>>> procedures to support the attainment of our individual and collective >>>>>> aims, >>>>>> while respecting the intent of the original creators. For example: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - There are institutions which develop courses on WikiEducator >>>>>> which are not intended for collaborative authoring due to local >>>>>> curriculum >>>>>> requirements. >>>>>> - There are individuals who develop materials on WikiEducator >>>>>> which they would like to make available for others to create >>>>>> derivative >>>>>> works, but would prefer not to have other educators edit their >>>>>> materials. >>>>>> - There are many projects in WikiEducator which are seeking wide >>>>>> collaboration and contributions from the community. >>>>>> >>>>>> So the question is: How do we support and respect educator >>>>>> contributions in WE given the different intentions of our individual >>>>>> contributions? >>>>>> >>>>>> Valerie has alerted my attention to this important topic (see: >>>>>> http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_(3)<http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_%283%29>) >>>>>> -- Thanks Valerie. So what is the best way to signify intent and >>>>>> "ownership" of OER materials in WikiEducator. How do we communicate and >>>>>> respect a contributor's intention where they do not want collaborative >>>>>> authoring and participation on their OER resources? If an educator finds >>>>>> a >>>>>> valuable resource they want to use and improve -- can they edit and >>>>>> change >>>>>> the resource without creating problems for the original authors resulting >>>>>> from their modifications? >>>>>> >>>>>> Clearly we need a mechanism to visually communicate the intent of the >>>>>> creator to prospective editors. We need a messaging system which says, >>>>>> for >>>>>> instance: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - I need help and welcome WikiEducators to collaborate, edit and >>>>>> improve this resource, or >>>>>> - I have no problems if you copy this resource and modify for your >>>>>> own purposes -- but will appreciate if you don't make changes because >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> using this in my course, or >>>>>> - I don't mind editorial improvements but don't want editors to >>>>>> make substantive changes to my OER --- suggestions and comments are >>>>>> welcome >>>>>> on the corresponding talk page. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to me that we need a template or content infobox which >>>>>> clearly communicates the intent of the original OER creator in terms of >>>>>> "permissible" contributions and/or restrictions with regard to community >>>>>> edits. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts? Are there any other intents than those listed above? >>>>>> >>>>>> You gotta love the WikiEducator project -- we're figuring out >>>>>> solutions that work for education. We're pioneering the future that has >>>>>> already happened :-). >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Wayne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>> Director, >>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Warm regards >>>>> >>>>> Anil >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>> Director, >>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Warm regards >>>> >>>> Anil >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >> Director, >> International Centre for Open Education, >> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >> Skype: WGMNZ1 >> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >> >> >> > > > -- > Warm regards > > Anil > > > > -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. 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