Hi John, Apology for the delayed response -- too many emails today.
It would be possible to design a single template with parameters specifying the different reasons for requesting users not to edit the page, for example: - Currently being used in a course (Typos and and syntax assistance permitted?) - Original research findings Typos and and layout assistance permitted?) - No edits whatsoever (i.e. excluding help with typos and syntax assistance?) Are there other reasons we may have missed? We can include standard suggestions /instructions in the template -- for example linking to a resource which explains how to remix content when the author does not want collaborative edits. In all cases users will be allowed to make a copy (with proper attribution) and customise according to their needs. History sensitive branching in the wiki is a little more complicated (i.e. if you want to keep the fork synchronised with the original source.) Where there are discrete sections which users want to reuse -- tansclusion may help (i.e. including part of a document in another by referencing it) -- see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transclusion. This is fun figuring out educationally relevant tweaks for our wiki project. Cheers Wayne 2009/10/21 john stampe <[email protected]> > Hi, all. Just some thoughts on this. > > First, I agree it is not a collaboration vs. protection agrument. In fact, > I'll remind the list members that WE is under the Creative Commons license, > which specifically does not prevent using and further changing of a > document; but that is not the same as not wanting a specific page to be > edited in place (but allowing copying and derivatives to be done). > > Yes, I do think that a template might be the way to go. The templates > probably should state not only the "permissions" but also very briefly why. > For example, it is being used in a current course. Therefore, we may need > more than three templates. > > One possible wording for the template where the user wants some restraint > (I use that term in place of restriction) might be something like "You are > free to use this resource, however it is being used for a current course. If > you wish to change it, please copying it to another page and make changes > there." > > Finally, I was wondering if it is possible in Mediawiki to have branches as > most version control systems have. That way, using Wayne's example, a New > Zealand teacher could simply branch the Ugandan project to suit his own > needs. > > Cheers, > John > > http://www.wikieducator.org/User:JohnWS > http://johnsearth.blogspot.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Tue, October 20, 2009 5:17:49 PM > *Subject:* [WikiEducator] Re: How do we support and respect educator > contributions in WE? > > Hi Savithri, > > You're right -- the educational issues relating to context and educators > who may not want their teaching resources modified is an opportunity for > WikiEducator to find creative solutions. > > We're very fortunate to have a dedicated and experienced team from India > who will help us to find the optimal solution! > > Seems that the template idea is the right way to go -- we'll fine tune the > ideas based on feedback and develop a prototype template for review. > > Cheer > Wayne > > > 2009/10/20 Savithri Singh <[email protected]> > >> Have been reading the interesting thread started by Wayne and between >> Wayne and Anil. I agree with Wayne that these are the kind of >> issues/questions asked about WE - specially when some materials are created >> for a particular context and people do not want it modified. In case we >> develop suitable templates indicating the intend of the authors then it >> should be acceptable >> >> Savithri >> >> 2009/10/20 Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> >> >> Hi Anil, >>> >>> Good idea -- lets get this done based on the feedback we receive on the >>> list :-) >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> Wayne >>> >>> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Dear Dr. Wayne, >>>> >>>> You are right. We may list out the instances with reason, the message to >>>> be displayed for each instance, develop template and add it on consensus >>>> page http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus under a proper >>>> sub title. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Anil, >>>>> >>>>> I see we're on the same page here :-) >>>>> >>>>> I'm not calling or suggesting universal protection of pages -- far from >>>>> it -- it's not the wiki way. >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking for us to find solutions within the ambit of our consensus >>>>> thinking to provide an indication to prospective editors to say "please >>>>> don't edit this page" --- what I envisage is a template box which >>>>> communicates this message -- including the range of reasons this may be >>>>> necessary within the template box, without protecting the page. >>>>> >>>>> Does this make sense? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> W >>>>> >>>>> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Dr.Wayne, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the ambit of consensus is so broad so that it can include >>>>>> consensus to ‘do not edit’ :) such and such thing….by such and such >>>>>> members….on such and such occasions etc etc Of course it has to deal with >>>>>> editing guidelines and Policy for page protection also >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not challenging the cause to be got protected, but thinking about >>>>>> the right documentation for the same. >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Anil, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you're very right about consensus on resources where there is >>>>>>> an intent to collaborate on the development of a "universal" resource >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> would be applicable in a wide variety of contexts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, consider for example a Ugandan teacher who is developing an >>>>>>> OER on Ugandan history for a Year 10 Class in accordance with the >>>>>>> Ugandan >>>>>>> national curriculum. For instance, lets say a New Zealand teacher >>>>>>> discovers >>>>>>> this resource for possible use in a social studies lesson on East Africa >>>>>>> under the New Zealand curriculum. Obviously the New Zealand curriculum >>>>>>> requirements will be different regarding emphasis, year level and >>>>>>> learning >>>>>>> objectives. I don't think that it would be fair on the Ugandan teacher >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the New Zealand teacher to edit and change the resource. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In this example -- I don't think that we are delaing with a >>>>>>> collaboration VS protection issue. The Ugandan teacher would like to >>>>>>> make >>>>>>> his/her teaching materials avialble for adaptation and reuse in other >>>>>>> contexts, but would not want teachers from other countries to alter the >>>>>>> teaching materials in ways that it may not align with their national >>>>>>> curriculum. (If you see what I mean.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm thinking here of ways to best communicate the intentions of the >>>>>>> resource creator. Its not protected becuase the content is freely >>>>>>> available >>>>>>> to be copied and modified for use in another learning situation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the other hand -- resources which are intended for univeral use >>>>>>> (and ultimately part of an International Qualifications Framework) would >>>>>>> need to focus and support WikiEducator's evolving consensus processes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does this make sense? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Dr. Wayne and other friends, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is Collaboration Vs Protection; we need to fine tune >>>>>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> WE is a unique educational wiki project in many respects. We are >>>>>>>>> different, for example, from Wikipedia in the sense that our >>>>>>>>> collaboration >>>>>>>>> is not focused on developing an objective encyclopedia entry >>>>>>>>> resulting from >>>>>>>>> the micro-contributions of a large number of editors. At the same >>>>>>>>> time, we >>>>>>>>> benefit from the advantages associated with mass collaboration, for >>>>>>>>> example >>>>>>>>> shared training materials. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moreover, WE has organised itself as a community of educators >>>>>>>>> working on a wide range of different OER artifacts, for example: open >>>>>>>>> textbooks, OER courses for online teaching, learning activities based >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> external resources, lessons, articles and research papers, handouts, >>>>>>>>> glossary projects for use as a reference resource, the establishment >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> project or community nodes, the development of funding proposals as >>>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>>> content etc. Other wiki projects within the OER landscape have >>>>>>>>> organised >>>>>>>>> themselves around the nature of the objects being produced, for >>>>>>>>> instance: >>>>>>>>> Encyclopedia articles in the case of >>>>>>>>> Wikipedia<http://www.en.wikipedia.org/>or books in the case of >>>>>>>>> Wikibooks <http://www.en.wikibooks.org/> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Therefore we need to think creatively about how our community >>>>>>>>> develops procedures to support the attainment of our individual and >>>>>>>>> collective aims, while respecting the intent of the original >>>>>>>>> creators. For >>>>>>>>> example: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - There are institutions which develop courses on WikiEducator >>>>>>>>> which are not intended for collaborative authoring due to local >>>>>>>>> curriculum >>>>>>>>> requirements. >>>>>>>>> - There are individuals who develop materials on WikiEducator >>>>>>>>> which they would like to make available for others to create >>>>>>>>> derivative >>>>>>>>> works, but would prefer not to have other educators edit their >>>>>>>>> materials. >>>>>>>>> - There are many projects in WikiEducator which are seeking >>>>>>>>> wide collaboration and contributions from the community. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So the question is: How do we support and respect educator >>>>>>>>> contributions in WE given the different intentions of our individual >>>>>>>>> contributions? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Valerie has alerted my attention to this important topic (see: >>>>>>>>> http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_%283%29) >>>>>>>>> -- Thanks Valerie. So what is the best way to signify intent and >>>>>>>>> "ownership" of OER materials in WikiEducator. How do we communicate >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> respect a contributor's intention where they do not want collaborative >>>>>>>>> authoring and participation on their OER resources? If an educator >>>>>>>>> finds a >>>>>>>>> valuable resource they want to use and improve -- can they edit and >>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>> the resource without creating problems for the original authors >>>>>>>>> resulting >>>>>>>>> from their modifications? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clearly we need a mechanism to visually communicate the intent of >>>>>>>>> the creator to prospective editors. We need a messaging system which >>>>>>>>> says, >>>>>>>>> for instance: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - I need help and welcome WikiEducators to collaborate, edit >>>>>>>>> and improve this resource, or >>>>>>>>> - I have no problems if you copy this resource and modify for >>>>>>>>> your own purposes -- but will appreciate if you don't make changes >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> I'm using this in my course, or >>>>>>>>> - I don't mind editorial improvements but don't want editors to >>>>>>>>> make substantive changes to my OER --- suggestions and comments >>>>>>>>> are welcome >>>>>>>>> on the corresponding talk page. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It seems to me that we need a template or content infobox which >>>>>>>>> clearly communicates the intent of the original OER creator in terms >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> "permissible" contributions and/or restrictions with regard to >>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>> edits. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thoughts? Are there any other intents than those listed above? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You gotta love the WikiEducator project -- we're figuring out >>>>>>>>> solutions that work for education. We're pioneering the future that >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> already happened :-). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Warm regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Warm regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anil >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>> Director, >>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Warm regards >>>> >>>> Anil >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>> Director, >>> International Centre for Open Education, >>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह >> प्रधानाचार्य >> आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज >> ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) >> गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी >> नयी दिल्ली 110019 >> >> Dr. Savithri Singh >> Principal >> Acharya Narendra Dev College >> (University of Delhi) >> Govindpuri, Kalkaji >> New Delhi 110 019 >> >> Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 >> Fax: (011) 2629 4540 >> Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 >> >> http://andcollege.du.ac.in >> http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College >> http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl >> http://wikieducator.org/India >> http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch >> http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. > Director, > International Centre for Open Education, > Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. > Board of Directors, OER Foundation. > Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org > Mobile +64 21 2436 380 > Skype: WGMNZ1 > Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg > > > > > -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. 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