Have been reading the interesting thread started by Wayne and between Wayne and Anil. I agree with Wayne that these are the kind of issues/questions asked about WE - specially when some materials are created for a particular context and people do not want it modified. In case we develop suitable templates indicating the intend of the authors then it should be acceptable. Savithri
2009/10/20 Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> > Hi Anil, > > Good idea -- lets get this done based on the feedback we receive on the > list :-) > > > Cheers > Wayne > > 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> > >> Dear Dr. Wayne, >> >> You are right. We may list out the instances with reason, the message to >> be displayed for each instance, develop template and add it on consensus >> page http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus under a proper >> sub title. >> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Anil, >>> >>> I see we're on the same page here :-) >>> >>> I'm not calling or suggesting universal protection of pages -- far from >>> it -- it's not the wiki way. >>> >>> I'm looking for us to find solutions within the ambit of our consensus >>> thinking to provide an indication to prospective editors to say "please >>> don't edit this page" --- what I envisage is a template box which >>> communicates this message -- including the range of reasons this may be >>> necessary within the template box, without protecting the page. >>> >>> Does this make sense? >>> >>> >>> W >>> >>> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Dear Dr.Wayne, >>>> >>>> I think the ambit of consensus is so broad so that it can include >>>> consensus to ‘do not edit’ :) such and such thing….by such and such >>>> members….on such and such occasions etc etc Of course it has to deal with >>>> editing guidelines and Policy for page protection also >>>> >>>> I am not challenging the cause to be got protected, but thinking about >>>> the right documentation for the same. >>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Anil, >>>>> >>>>> I think you're very right about consensus on resources where there is >>>>> an intent to collaborate on the development of a "universal" resource >>>>> which >>>>> would be applicable in a wide variety of contexts. >>>>> >>>>> However, consider for example a Ugandan teacher who is developing an >>>>> OER on Ugandan history for a Year 10 Class in accordance with the Ugandan >>>>> national curriculum. For instance, lets say a New Zealand teacher >>>>> discovers >>>>> this resource for possible use in a social studies lesson on East Africa >>>>> under the New Zealand curriculum. Obviously the New Zealand curriculum >>>>> requirements will be different regarding emphasis, year level and learning >>>>> objectives. I don't think that it would be fair on the Ugandan teacher for >>>>> the New Zealand teacher to edit and change the resource. >>>>> >>>>> In this example -- I don't think that we are delaing with a >>>>> collaboration VS protection issue. The Ugandan teacher would like to make >>>>> his/her teaching materials avialble for adaptation and reuse in other >>>>> contexts, but would not want teachers from other countries to alter the >>>>> teaching materials in ways that it may not align with their national >>>>> curriculum. (If you see what I mean.) >>>>> >>>>> I'm thinking here of ways to best communicate the intentions of the >>>>> resource creator. Its not protected becuase the content is freely >>>>> available >>>>> to be copied and modified for use in another learning situation. >>>>> >>>>> On the other hand -- resources which are intended for univeral use (and >>>>> ultimately part of an International Qualifications Framework) would need >>>>> to >>>>> focus and support WikiEducator's evolving consensus processes. >>>>> >>>>> Does this make sense? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Wayne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Dr. Wayne and other friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> It is Collaboration Vs Protection; we need to fine tune >>>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WE is a unique educational wiki project in many respects. We are >>>>>>> different, for example, from Wikipedia in the sense that our >>>>>>> collaboration >>>>>>> is not focused on developing an objective encyclopedia entry resulting >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> the micro-contributions of a large number of editors. At the same time, >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> benefit from the advantages associated with mass collaboration, for >>>>>>> example >>>>>>> shared training materials. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moreover, WE has organised itself as a community of educators working >>>>>>> on a wide range of different OER artifacts, for example: open >>>>>>> textbooks, OER >>>>>>> courses for online teaching, learning activities based on external >>>>>>> resources, lessons, articles and research papers, handouts, glossary >>>>>>> projects for use as a reference resource, the establishment of project >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> community nodes, the development of funding proposals as free content >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> Other wiki projects within the OER landscape have organised themselves >>>>>>> around the nature of the objects being produced, for instance: >>>>>>> Encyclopedia >>>>>>> articles in the case of Wikipedia <http://www.en.wikipedia.org/> or >>>>>>> books in the case of Wikibooks <http://www.en.wikibooks.org/> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Therefore we need to think creatively about how our community >>>>>>> develops procedures to support the attainment of our individual and >>>>>>> collective aims, while respecting the intent of the original creators. >>>>>>> For >>>>>>> example: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - There are institutions which develop courses on WikiEducator >>>>>>> which are not intended for collaborative authoring due to local >>>>>>> curriculum >>>>>>> requirements. >>>>>>> - There are individuals who develop materials on WikiEducator >>>>>>> which they would like to make available for others to create >>>>>>> derivative >>>>>>> works, but would prefer not to have other educators edit their >>>>>>> materials. >>>>>>> - There are many projects in WikiEducator which are seeking wide >>>>>>> collaboration and contributions from the community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So the question is: How do we support and respect educator >>>>>>> contributions in WE given the different intentions of our individual >>>>>>> contributions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Valerie has alerted my attention to this important topic (see: >>>>>>> http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_(3)<http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_%283%29>) >>>>>>> -- Thanks Valerie. So what is the best way to signify intent and >>>>>>> "ownership" of OER materials in WikiEducator. How do we communicate and >>>>>>> respect a contributor's intention where they do not want collaborative >>>>>>> authoring and participation on their OER resources? If an educator >>>>>>> finds a >>>>>>> valuable resource they want to use and improve -- can they edit and >>>>>>> change >>>>>>> the resource without creating problems for the original authors >>>>>>> resulting >>>>>>> from their modifications? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clearly we need a mechanism to visually communicate the intent of the >>>>>>> creator to prospective editors. We need a messaging system which says, >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> instance: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - I need help and welcome WikiEducators to collaborate, edit and >>>>>>> improve this resource, or >>>>>>> - I have no problems if you copy this resource and modify for >>>>>>> your own purposes -- but will appreciate if you don't make changes >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> I'm using this in my course, or >>>>>>> - I don't mind editorial improvements but don't want editors to >>>>>>> make substantive changes to my OER --- suggestions and comments are >>>>>>> welcome >>>>>>> on the corresponding talk page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems to me that we need a template or content infobox which >>>>>>> clearly communicates the intent of the original OER creator in terms of >>>>>>> "permissible" contributions and/or restrictions with regard to community >>>>>>> edits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thoughts? Are there any other intents than those listed above? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You gotta love the WikiEducator project -- we're figuring out >>>>>>> solutions that work for education. We're pioneering the future that has >>>>>>> already happened :-). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Warm regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Anil >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>> Director, >>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Warm regards >>>>> >>>>> Anil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>> Director, >>> International Centre for Open Education, >>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Warm regards >> >> Anil >> >> >> > > > -- > Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. > Director, > International Centre for Open Education, > Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. > Board of Directors, OER Foundation. > Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org > Mobile +64 21 2436 380 > Skype: WGMNZ1 > Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg > > > > -- डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह प्रधानाचार्य आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी नयी दिल्ली 110019 Dr. Savithri Singh Principal Acharya Narendra Dev College (University of Delhi) Govindpuri, Kalkaji New Delhi 110 019 Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 Fax: (011) 2629 4540 Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 http://andcollege.du.ac.in http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl http://wikieducator.org/India http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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