Hi, all. Just some thoughts on this. First, I agree it is not a collaboration vs. protection agrument. In fact, I'll remind the list members that WE is under the Creative Commons license, which specifically does not prevent using and further changing of a document; but that is not the same as not wanting a specific page to be edited in place (but allowing copying and derivatives to be done).
Yes, I do think that a template might be the way to go. The templates probably should state not only the "permissions" but also very briefly why. For example, it is being used in a current course. Therefore, we may need more than three templates. One possible wording for the template where the user wants some restraint (I use that term in place of restriction) might be something like "You are free to use this resource, however it is being used for a current course. If you wish to change it, please copying it to another page and make changes there." Finally, I was wondering if it is possible in Mediawiki to have branches as most version control systems have. That way, using Wayne's example, a New Zealand teacher could simply branch the Ugandan project to suit his own needs. Cheers, John http://www.wikieducator.org/User:JohnWS http://johnsearth.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 5:17:49 PM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: How do we support and respect educator contributions in WE? Hi Savithri, You're right -- the educational issues relating to context and educators who may not want their teaching resources modified is an opportunity for WikiEducator to find creative solutions. We're very fortunate to have a dedicated and experienced team from India who will help us to find the optimal solution! Seems that the template idea is the right way to go -- we'll fine tune the ideas based on feedback and develop a prototype template for review. Cheer Wayne 2009/10/20 Savithri Singh <[email protected]> Have been reading the interesting thread started by Wayne and between Wayne and Anil. I agree with Wayne that these are the kind of issues/questions asked about WE - specially when some materials are created for a particular context and people do not want it modified. In case we develop suitable templates indicating the intend of the authors then it should be acceptable > > > >Savithri > > >2009/10/20 Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> > > >Hi Anil, >> >>Good idea -- lets get this done based on the feedback we receive on the list >>:-) >> >> >>Cheers >>Wayne >> >> >>2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >> >>Dear Dr. Wayne, >>> >>>You are right. We may list out the instances with reason, the message to be >>>displayed for each instance, develop template and add it on consensus page >>>http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus under a proper sub title. >>> >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Wayne Mackintosh >>><[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>Hi Anil, >>>> >>>>I see we're on the same page here :-) >>>> >>>>I'm not calling or suggesting universal protection of pages -- far from it >>>>-- it's not the wiki way. >>>> >>>>I'm looking for us to find solutions within the ambit of our consensus >>>>thinking to provide an indication to prospective editors to say "please >>>>don't edit this page" --- what I envisage is a template box which >>>>communicates this message -- including the range of reasons this may be >>>>necessary within the template box, without protecting the page. >>>> >>>>Does this make sense? >>>> >>>> >>>>W >>>> >>>> >>>>2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>Dear Dr.Wayne, >>>>> >>>>>I think the ambit of consensus is so broad so that it can include >>>>>consensus to ‘do not edit’ :) such and such thing….by such and such >>>>>members….on such and such occasions etc etc Of course it has to deal with >>>>>editing guidelines and Policy for page protection also >>>>> >>>>>I am not challenging the cause to be got protected, but thinking about the >>>>>right documentation for the same. >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Wayne Mackintosh >>>>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Hi Anil, >>>>>> >>>>>>I think you're very right about consensus on resources where there is an >>>>>>intent to collaborate on the development of a "universal" resource which >>>>>>would be applicable in a wide variety of contexts. >>>>>> >>>>>>However, consider for example a Ugandan teacher who is developing an OER >>>>>>on Ugandan history for a Year 10 Class in accordance with the Ugandan >>>>>>national curriculum. For instance, lets say a New Zealand teacher >>>>>>discovers this resource for possible use in a social studies lesson on >>>>>>East Africa under the New Zealand curriculum. Obviously the New Zealand >>>>>>curriculum requirements will be different regarding emphasis, year level >>>>>>and learning objectives. I don't think that it would be fair on the >>>>>>Ugandan teacher for the New Zealand teacher to edit and change the >>>>>>resource. >>>>>> >>>>>>In this example -- I don't think that we are delaing with a collaboration >>>>>>VS protection issue. The Ugandan teacher would like to make his/her >>>>>>teaching materials avialble for adaptation and reuse in other contexts, >>>>>>but would not want teachers from other countries to alter the teaching >>>>>>materials in ways that it may not align with their national curriculum. >>>>>>(If you see what I mean.) >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm thinking here of ways to best communicate the intentions of the >>>>>>resource creator. Its not protected becuase the content is freely >>>>>>available to be copied and modified for use in another learning situation. >>>>>> >>>>>>On the other hand -- resources which are intended for univeral use (and >>>>>>ultimately part of an International Qualifications Framework) would need >>>>>>to focus and support WikiEducator's evolving consensus processes. >>>>>> >>>>>>Does this make sense? >>>>>> >>>>>>Cheers >>>>>>Wayne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>2009/10/20 aprasad <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>Dear Dr. Wayne and other friends, >>>>>>>It is Collaboration Vs Protection; we need to fine tune >>>>>>>http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Consensus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Wayne Mackintosh >>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>WE is a unique educational wiki project in many respects. We are >>>>>>>>different, for example, from Wikipedia in the sense that our >>>>>>>>collaboration is not focused on developing an objective encyclopedia >>>>>>>>entry resulting from the micro-contributions of a large number of >>>>>>>>editors. At the same time, we benefit from the advantages associated >>>>>>>>with mass collaboration, for example shared training materials. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Moreover, WE has organised itself as a community of educators working >>>>>>>>on a wide range of different OER artifacts, for example: open >>>>>>>>textbooks, OER courses for online teaching, learning activities based >>>>>>>>on external resources, lessons, articles and research papers, handouts, >>>>>>>>glossary projects for use as a reference resource, the establishment of >>>>>>>>project or community nodes, the development of funding proposals as >>>>>>>>free content etc. Other wiki projects within the OER landscape have >>>>>>>>organised themselves around the nature of the objects being produced, >>>>>>>>for instance: Encyclopedia articles in the case of Wikipedia or books >>>>>>>>in the case of Wikibooks . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Therefore we need to think creatively about how our community develops >>>>>>>>procedures to support the attainment of our individual and collective >>>>>>>>aims, while respecting the intent of the original creators. For example: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * There are institutions which develop courses on WikiEducator >>>>>>>> which are not intended for collaborative authoring due to local >>>>>>>> curriculum requirements. >>>>>>>> * There are individuals who develop materials on WikiEducator >>>>>>>> which they would like to make available for others to create >>>>>>>> derivative works, but would prefer not to have other educators edit >>>>>>>> their materials. >>>>>>>> * There are many projects in WikiEducator which are seeking >>>>>>>> wide collaboration and contributions from the community. >>>>>>>>So the question is: How do we support and respect educator >>>>>>>>contributions in WE given the different intentions of our individual >>>>>>>>contributions? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Valerie has alerted my attention to this important topic (see: >>>>>>>>http://wikieducator.org/Thread:Ownership,_status,_granularity_and_category_%283%29 >>>>>>>> ) -- Thanks Valerie. So what is the best way to signify intent and >>>>>>>>"ownership" of OER materials in WikiEducator. How do we communicate and >>>>>>>>respect a contributor's intention where they do not want collaborative >>>>>>>>authoring and participation on their OER resources? If an educator >>>>>>>>finds a valuable resource they want to use and improve -- can they edit >>>>>>>>and change the resource without creating problems for the original >>>>>>>>authors resulting from their modifications? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Clearly we need a mechanism to visually communicate the intent of the >>>>>>>>creator to prospective editors. We need a messaging system which says, >>>>>>>>for instance: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * I need help and welcome WikiEducators to collaborate, edit >>>>>>>> and improve this resource, or >>>>>>>> * I have no problems if you copy this resource and modify for >>>>>>>> your own purposes -- but will appreciate if you don't make changes >>>>>>>> because I'm using this in my course, or >>>>>>>> * I don't mind editorial improvements but don't want editors to >>>>>>>> make substantive changes to my OER --- suggestions and comments are >>>>>>>> welcome on the corresponding talk page. >>>>>>>>It seems to me that we need a template or content infobox which clearly >>>>>>>>communicates the intent of the original OER creator in terms of >>>>>>>>"permissible" contributions and/or restrictions with regard to >>>>>>>>community edits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thoughts? Are there any other intents than those listed above? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You gotta love the WikiEducator project -- we're figuring out solutions >>>>>>>>that work for education. We're pioneering the future that has already >>>>>>>>happened :-). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cheers >>>>>>>>Wayne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>Director, >>>>>>>>International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>>>Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>>>Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>>>Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>>>www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>>>Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>>>Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>>>Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>Warm regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Anil >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>Director, >>>>>>International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Warm regards >>>>>> >>>>>>Anil >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>Director, >>>>International Centre for Open Education, >>>>Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >>>>Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Warm regards >>> >>>Anil >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>Director, >>International Centre for Open Education, >>Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org >>Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>Skype: WGMNZ1 >>Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >> >> >> >> > > >-- >डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह >प्रधानाचार्य >आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज >( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) >गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी >नयी दिल्ली 110019 > >Dr. Savithri Singh >Principal >Acharya Narendra Dev College >(University of Delhi) >Govindpuri, Kalkaji >New Delhi 110 019 > >Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 >Fax: (011) 2629 4540 >Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 > >http://andcollege.du.ac.in >http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College >http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl >http://wikieducator.org/India >http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch >http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri > > > > > -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. 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