Fabiana Agree entirely!
Great suggestions -- let's put them on our to do list for 2011. W On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Fabiana Kubke <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Wayne for your thoughts. > My 2 cents: > > I do understand that the abandoned pages are not an issue of space, but I > do think they are an issue with the 'image' of WE. (And perhaps this might > need a different thread). > > When I first came across WE a couple years ago, and started hitting 'random > pages' to see what it was all about, most of the pages I came across were > abandoned or had poorly developed content. That gave me an initial > 'negative' impression of the site. > It took me a while to say 'get over it, go and fix it'. > > Given that, as you say Wayne, since one aim is to have more institutions > contribute, I think it is important that that initial impression one may get > by coming across 'abandoned projects' can be overcome by showing that the > community is active at identifying (and sorting out) useful from not useful > material. > If searches return lots of 'empty' pages, then the site is perceived as not > useful. And this may deter people contributing (as it initially happened to > me). While I understand this is intrinsic to these types of collaborative > environments, I also think that it is one of the features that may turn > people away. > > So here is a suggestion: can we have 'clean-up parties' as part of the > community workshops you suggest? The week could start with 'guidelines' as > Wayne suggests, followed by a week where people identify 'problem pages' > that the group can make decisions on. It would allow all of us interested to > dedicate our efforts towards that on a regular basis, and by doing it all > together to learn from each other as to what is the best way to go about > it. > > A second suggestion is around the 'featured pages'. I think it is really > nice to have the featured user pages. Should we also have 'featured content > pages'? For those that hit the front page of WE it would show what can be > done in WE and perhaps stimulate them to sign in and contribute, and would > also highlight some of the great stuff that is inside WE but that > people/institutions might not otherwise come across. > > Cheers > Fabiana Kubke > > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Fabiana (*et al*) >> >> At one level storage is cheap in that "abandoned" pages, or pages with no >> content don't consume storage or bandwidth ;-). One of WikiEducator's >> features is that we provide free training in a live Wiki community -- the >> downside is many abandoned practice pages that should ideally be deleted in >> the wiki. >> >> As a community we need to get better with our wiki gardening and >> maintenance of our collective work. A few thoughts: >> >> >> - I agree -- I don't think the {{WIP}} template is a good solution. >> Clearly there are many pages which are practice pages, or pages which are >> unlikely to be developed over time. >> - We need to provide training and support for community members -- for >> some time I've been thinking about a community-support training course, >> using the Learning4Content model to help members acquire the knowledge and >> skills for these kind of community admin tasks. When can pages be deleted, >> how page deletions are requested, community service projects etc. I would >> imaging there are many Wikieducators who aren't clear about what to do. >> - From a strategic perspective -- as mainstream adoption of OER within >> formal education institutions starts increasing, we need to think >> creatively >> about ways in which we can co-ordinate and help formal education >> institutions participate while deriving immediate benefits from their >> participation. Can you imagine the impact of OER around the world if every >> institution were to donate 1 full-time equivalent staff member to OER >> support and development. >> >> Good thoughts and we should definitely add these to our WE new year >> resolutions :-) >> >> Wayne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Fabiana Kubke <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi all, and thanks for your comments. >>> >>> I have a personal philosophy of not 'modifying' user pages, other than >>> adding comments - I may be old fashioned, but I think that user pages >>> 'belong' to the users themselves. >>> >>> I was mainly thinking about 'content' (project?) pages. >>> >>> I thought about using the {{WIP}} for abandoned projects, but for example >>> all of the pages I am working on have a {{WIP}} mainly to indicate that >>> there will be frequent changes (if someone wants to use it in their class, >>> they should link either to specific versions or be aware that by the time a >>> student gets to it the page might be quite different). >>> >>> To me this is different than 'abandoned', in the sense that there are a >>> few headings, no content and no activity for a while. But as I go about I >>> find pages where deleting might not be necessarily a good idea because I can >>> see the value of someone picking up and building the content. >>> >>> Perhaps the {{stub}} is a good option, and hope that someone picks it up? >>> I would suggest that a link to all stub pages be placed in the main page >>> under the *Get Involved ~ There are so many ways... *heading. >>> >>> Does that sound like a viable compromise? I remember going to those links >>> when I joined WE and wasn't clear about what 'to do' >>> >>> Cheers >>> Fabiana >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Patricia Schlicht < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Fabiana and Alison, >>>> >>>> Great comments and suggestions. I would like to add my comment as well. >>>> While everybody is right, you come across pages with little or no content >>>> at >>>> times, I would like to say that I think we need to differentiate between >>>> user pages and project pages. Allison's suggestion regarding the {{stub}} >>>> indication applies mostly to project pages. We do not have a stub category >>>> for user pages, please correct me if I am wrong. Some users use {{WIP}}= >>>> Work in Progress on their user page. Pages can be suggested for deletion >>>> {{delete}} and WikiEd Admin will process it, but as these are user pages, >>>> they can't just be deleted, so maybe what we should create is category for >>>> those pages and whenever we come across a page where there is hardly any >>>> content, we can flag it this way and collect them all under one category, >>>> which is not taken the page from the actual user, if s/he wants to continue >>>> using it at a later point. Just a suggestion. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Patricia >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Kubke <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In my random page visit through WE I often come across pages that have >>>>> little or no content and in which the last edit has happened a long time >>>>> ago. I could not find an 'orphan' category. >>>>> One option would be to delete those pages. >>>>> A second option could be to create an 'orphan' (or similar) category >>>>> that could group the pages so that people looking for things to contribute >>>>> could go to that aggregation and find topics that have not been fully >>>>> developed. This last option could be nicely tied with the L4C workshops >>>>> for >>>>> example. >>>>> Any suggestions as to how to deal with these? >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Fabiana Kubke >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> M Fabiana Kubke >>> >>> Department of Anatomy | University of Auckland | New Zealand >>> (+64) 9 373-7599 Ext 86002 | (+64)9 923 6002 (direct) | Mobile: (+64) 210 >>> 437 121 >>> >>> Skype: superfabs | http://twitter.com/Kubke | http://identi.ca/kubke | >>> http://buildingblogsofscience.wordpress.com | >>> http://sciblogs.co.nz/building-blogs-of-science | >>> http://popscinz.wordpress.com | http://talkingteaching.wordpress.com >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>> To visit the discussion forum: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. >> Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org> >> Director, International Centre for Open Education, >> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >> Founder and elected Community Council Member, >> Wikieducator<http://www.wikieducator.org%20> >> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >> Skype: WGMNZ1 >> Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/Mackiwg> | >> identi.ca<http://identi.ca/waynemackintosh> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >> To visit the discussion forum: >> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> > > > > -- > M Fabiana Kubke > > Department of Anatomy | University of Auckland | New Zealand > (+64) 9 373-7599 Ext 86002 | (+64)9 923 6002 (direct) | Mobile: (+64) 210 > 437 121 > > Skype: superfabs | http://twitter.com/Kubke | http://identi.ca/kubke | > http://buildingblogsofscience.wordpress.com | > http://sciblogs.co.nz/building-blogs-of-science | > http://popscinz.wordpress.com | http://talkingteaching.wordpress.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org > To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > -- Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org> Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. 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