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On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Fabiana Kubke <[email protected]> wrote: > Started a page on my sandbox > http://wikieducator.org/User:Kubke/My_sandbox/Community_maintenance > <http://wikieducator.org/User:Kubke/My_sandbox/Community_maintenance>to > drop ideas. Not sure what the appropriate path for such page should be (oh > the irony!), so whomever can make that decision with confidence, please move > the page. > cheers > Fabiana > > > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Fabiana >> >> Agree entirely! >> >> Great suggestions -- let's put them on our to do list for 2011. >> >> W >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Fabiana Kubke <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Thanks Wayne for your thoughts. >>> My 2 cents: >>> >>> I do understand that the abandoned pages are not an issue of space, but I >>> do think they are an issue with the 'image' of WE. (And perhaps this might >>> need a different thread). >>> >>> When I first came across WE a couple years ago, and started hitting >>> 'random pages' to see what it was all about, most of the pages I came across >>> were abandoned or had poorly developed content. That gave me an initial >>> 'negative' impression of the site. >>> It took me a while to say 'get over it, go and fix it'. >>> >>> Given that, as you say Wayne, since one aim is to have more institutions >>> contribute, I think it is important that that initial impression one may get >>> by coming across 'abandoned projects' can be overcome by showing that the >>> community is active at identifying (and sorting out) useful from not useful >>> material. >>> If searches return lots of 'empty' pages, then the site is perceived as >>> not useful. And this may deter people contributing (as it initially happened >>> to me). While I understand this is intrinsic to these types of collaborative >>> environments, I also think that it is one of the features that may turn >>> people away. >>> >>> So here is a suggestion: can we have 'clean-up parties' as part of the >>> community workshops you suggest? The week could start with 'guidelines' as >>> Wayne suggests, followed by a week where people identify 'problem pages' >>> that the group can make decisions on. It would allow all of us interested to >>> dedicate our efforts towards that on a regular basis, and by doing it all >>> together to learn from each other as to what is the best way to go about >>> it. >>> >>> A second suggestion is around the 'featured pages'. I think it is really >>> nice to have the featured user pages. Should we also have 'featured content >>> pages'? For those that hit the front page of WE it would show what can be >>> done in WE and perhaps stimulate them to sign in and contribute, and would >>> also highlight some of the great stuff that is inside WE but that >>> people/institutions might not otherwise come across. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Fabiana Kubke >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Fabiana (*et al*) >>>> >>>> At one level storage is cheap in that "abandoned" pages, or pages with >>>> no content don't consume storage or bandwidth ;-). One of WikiEducator's >>>> features is that we provide free training in a live Wiki community -- the >>>> downside is many abandoned practice pages that should ideally be deleted in >>>> the wiki. >>>> >>>> As a community we need to get better with our wiki gardening and >>>> maintenance of our collective work. A few thoughts: >>>> >>>> >>>> - I agree -- I don't think the {{WIP}} template is a good solution. >>>> Clearly there are many pages which are practice pages, or pages which >>>> are >>>> unlikely to be developed over time. >>>> - We need to provide training and support for community members -- >>>> for some time I've been thinking about a community-support training >>>> course, >>>> using the Learning4Content model to help members acquire the knowledge >>>> and >>>> skills for these kind of community admin tasks. When can pages be >>>> deleted, >>>> how page deletions are requested, community service projects etc. I >>>> would >>>> imaging there are many Wikieducators who aren't clear about what to do. >>>> - From a strategic perspective -- as mainstream adoption of OER >>>> within formal education institutions starts increasing, we need to think >>>> creatively about ways in which we can co-ordinate and help formal >>>> education >>>> institutions participate while deriving immediate benefits from their >>>> participation. Can you imagine the impact of OER around the world if >>>> every >>>> institution were to donate 1 full-time equivalent staff member to OER >>>> support and development. >>>> >>>> Good thoughts and we should definitely add these to our WE new year >>>> resolutions :-) >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Fabiana Kubke <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, and thanks for your comments. >>>>> >>>>> I have a personal philosophy of not 'modifying' user pages, other than >>>>> adding comments - I may be old fashioned, but I think that user pages >>>>> 'belong' to the users themselves. >>>>> >>>>> I was mainly thinking about 'content' (project?) pages. >>>>> >>>>> I thought about using the {{WIP}} for abandoned projects, but for >>>>> example all of the pages I am working on have a {{WIP}} mainly to indicate >>>>> that there will be frequent changes (if someone wants to use it in their >>>>> class, they should link either to specific versions or be aware that by >>>>> the >>>>> time a student gets to it the page might be quite different). >>>>> >>>>> To me this is different than 'abandoned', in the sense that there are a >>>>> few headings, no content and no activity for a while. But as I go about I >>>>> find pages where deleting might not be necessarily a good idea because I >>>>> can >>>>> see the value of someone picking up and building the content. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps the {{stub}} is a good option, and hope that someone picks it >>>>> up? I would suggest that a link to all stub pages be placed in the main >>>>> page >>>>> under the *Get Involved ~ There are so many ways... *heading. >>>>> >>>>> Does that sound like a viable compromise? I remember going to those >>>>> links when I joined WE and wasn't clear about what 'to do' >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Fabiana >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Patricia Schlicht < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Fabiana and Alison, >>>>>> >>>>>> Great comments and suggestions. I would like to add my comment as >>>>>> well. While everybody is right, you come across pages with little or no >>>>>> content at times, I would like to say that I think we need to >>>>>> differentiate >>>>>> between user pages and project pages. Allison's suggestion regarding the >>>>>> {{stub}} indication applies mostly to project pages. We do not have a >>>>>> stub >>>>>> category for user pages, please correct me if I am wrong. Some users use >>>>>> {{WIP}}= Work in Progress on their user page. Pages can be suggested for >>>>>> deletion {{delete}} and WikiEd Admin will process it, but as these are >>>>>> user >>>>>> pages, they can't just be deleted, so maybe what we should create is >>>>>> category for those pages and whenever we come across a page where there >>>>>> is >>>>>> hardly any content, we can flag it this way and collect them all under >>>>>> one >>>>>> category, which is not taken the page from the actual user, if s/he >>>>>> wants to >>>>>> continue using it at a later point. Just a suggestion. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Patricia >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Kubke <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In my random page visit through WE I often come across pages that >>>>>>> have little or no content and in which the last edit has happened a long >>>>>>> time ago. I could not find an 'orphan' category. >>>>>>> One option would be to delete those pages. >>>>>>> A second option could be to create an 'orphan' (or similar) category >>>>>>> that could group the pages so that people looking for things to >>>>>>> contribute >>>>>>> could go to that aggregation and find topics that have not been fully >>>>>>> developed. This last option could be nicely tied with the L4C workshops >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> example. >>>>>>> Any suggestions as to how to deal with these? >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Fabiana Kubke >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>>>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 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