Started a page on my sandbox http://wikieducator.org/User:Kubke/My_sandbox/Community_maintenance <http://wikieducator.org/User:Kubke/My_sandbox/Community_maintenance>to drop ideas. Not sure what the appropriate path for such page should be (oh the irony!), so whomever can make that decision with confidence, please move the page. cheers Fabiana
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < [email protected]> wrote: > Fabiana > > Agree entirely! > > Great suggestions -- let's put them on our to do list for 2011. > > W > > > > > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Fabiana Kubke <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Wayne for your thoughts. >> My 2 cents: >> >> I do understand that the abandoned pages are not an issue of space, but I >> do think they are an issue with the 'image' of WE. (And perhaps this might >> need a different thread). >> >> When I first came across WE a couple years ago, and started hitting >> 'random pages' to see what it was all about, most of the pages I came across >> were abandoned or had poorly developed content. That gave me an initial >> 'negative' impression of the site. >> It took me a while to say 'get over it, go and fix it'. >> >> Given that, as you say Wayne, since one aim is to have more institutions >> contribute, I think it is important that that initial impression one may get >> by coming across 'abandoned projects' can be overcome by showing that the >> community is active at identifying (and sorting out) useful from not useful >> material. >> If searches return lots of 'empty' pages, then the site is perceived as >> not useful. And this may deter people contributing (as it initially happened >> to me). While I understand this is intrinsic to these types of collaborative >> environments, I also think that it is one of the features that may turn >> people away. >> >> So here is a suggestion: can we have 'clean-up parties' as part of the >> community workshops you suggest? The week could start with 'guidelines' as >> Wayne suggests, followed by a week where people identify 'problem pages' >> that the group can make decisions on. It would allow all of us interested to >> dedicate our efforts towards that on a regular basis, and by doing it all >> together to learn from each other as to what is the best way to go about >> it. >> >> A second suggestion is around the 'featured pages'. I think it is really >> nice to have the featured user pages. Should we also have 'featured content >> pages'? For those that hit the front page of WE it would show what can be >> done in WE and perhaps stimulate them to sign in and contribute, and would >> also highlight some of the great stuff that is inside WE but that >> people/institutions might not otherwise come across. >> >> Cheers >> Fabiana Kubke >> >> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Fabiana (*et al*) >>> >>> At one level storage is cheap in that "abandoned" pages, or pages with no >>> content don't consume storage or bandwidth ;-). One of WikiEducator's >>> features is that we provide free training in a live Wiki community -- the >>> downside is many abandoned practice pages that should ideally be deleted in >>> the wiki. >>> >>> As a community we need to get better with our wiki gardening and >>> maintenance of our collective work. A few thoughts: >>> >>> >>> - I agree -- I don't think the {{WIP}} template is a good solution. >>> Clearly there are many pages which are practice pages, or pages which are >>> unlikely to be developed over time. >>> - We need to provide training and support for community members -- >>> for some time I've been thinking about a community-support training >>> course, >>> using the Learning4Content model to help members acquire the knowledge >>> and >>> skills for these kind of community admin tasks. When can pages be >>> deleted, >>> how page deletions are requested, community service projects etc. I would >>> imaging there are many Wikieducators who aren't clear about what to do. >>> - From a strategic perspective -- as mainstream adoption of OER >>> within formal education institutions starts increasing, we need to think >>> creatively about ways in which we can co-ordinate and help formal >>> education >>> institutions participate while deriving immediate benefits from their >>> participation. Can you imagine the impact of OER around the world if >>> every >>> institution were to donate 1 full-time equivalent staff member to OER >>> support and development. >>> >>> Good thoughts and we should definitely add these to our WE new year >>> resolutions :-) >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Fabiana Kubke <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, and thanks for your comments. >>>> >>>> I have a personal philosophy of not 'modifying' user pages, other than >>>> adding comments - I may be old fashioned, but I think that user pages >>>> 'belong' to the users themselves. >>>> >>>> I was mainly thinking about 'content' (project?) pages. >>>> >>>> I thought about using the {{WIP}} for abandoned projects, but for >>>> example all of the pages I am working on have a {{WIP}} mainly to indicate >>>> that there will be frequent changes (if someone wants to use it in their >>>> class, they should link either to specific versions or be aware that by the >>>> time a student gets to it the page might be quite different). >>>> >>>> To me this is different than 'abandoned', in the sense that there are a >>>> few headings, no content and no activity for a while. But as I go about I >>>> find pages where deleting might not be necessarily a good idea because I >>>> can >>>> see the value of someone picking up and building the content. >>>> >>>> Perhaps the {{stub}} is a good option, and hope that someone picks it >>>> up? I would suggest that a link to all stub pages be placed in the main >>>> page >>>> under the *Get Involved ~ There are so many ways... *heading. >>>> >>>> Does that sound like a viable compromise? I remember going to those >>>> links when I joined WE and wasn't clear about what 'to do' >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Fabiana >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Patricia Schlicht < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Fabiana and Alison, >>>>> >>>>> Great comments and suggestions. I would like to add my comment as well. >>>>> While everybody is right, you come across pages with little or no content >>>>> at >>>>> times, I would like to say that I think we need to differentiate between >>>>> user pages and project pages. Allison's suggestion regarding the {{stub}} >>>>> indication applies mostly to project pages. We do not have a stub category >>>>> for user pages, please correct me if I am wrong. Some users use {{WIP}}= >>>>> Work in Progress on their user page. Pages can be suggested for deletion >>>>> {{delete}} and WikiEd Admin will process it, but as these are user pages, >>>>> they can't just be deleted, so maybe what we should create is category for >>>>> those pages and whenever we come across a page where there is hardly any >>>>> content, we can flag it this way and collect them all under one category, >>>>> which is not taken the page from the actual user, if s/he wants to >>>>> continue >>>>> using it at a later point. Just a suggestion. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Patricia >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Kubke <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In my random page visit through WE I often come across pages that >>>>>> have little or no content and in which the last edit has happened a long >>>>>> time ago. I could not find an 'orphan' category. >>>>>> One option would be to delete those pages. >>>>>> A second option could be to create an 'orphan' (or similar) category >>>>>> that could group the pages so that people looking for things to >>>>>> contribute >>>>>> could go to that aggregation and find topics that have not been fully >>>>>> developed. This last option could be nicely tied with the L4C workshops >>>>>> for >>>>>> example. >>>>>> Any suggestions as to how to deal with these? >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Fabiana Kubke >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> M Fabiana Kubke >>>> >>>> Department of Anatomy | University of Auckland | New Zealand >>>> (+64) 9 373-7599 Ext 86002 | (+64)9 923 6002 (direct) | Mobile: (+64) >>>> 210 437 121 >>>> >>>> Skype: superfabs | http://twitter.com/Kubke | http://identi.ca/kubke | >>>> http://buildingblogsofscience.wordpress.com | >>>> http://sciblogs.co.nz/building-blogs-of-science | >>>> http://popscinz.wordpress.com | http://talkingteaching.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. >>> Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org> >>> Director, International Centre for Open Education, >>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>> Founder and elected Community Council Member, >>> Wikieducator<http://www.wikieducator.org%20> >>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>> Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/Mackiwg> | >>> identi.ca<http://identi.ca/waynemackintosh> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>> To visit the discussion forum: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> M Fabiana Kubke >> >> Department of Anatomy | University of Auckland | New Zealand >> (+64) 9 373-7599 Ext 86002 | (+64)9 923 6002 (direct) | Mobile: (+64) 210 >> 437 121 >> >> Skype: superfabs | http://twitter.com/Kubke | http://identi.ca/kubke | >> http://buildingblogsofscience.wordpress.com | >> http://sciblogs.co.nz/building-blogs-of-science | >> http://popscinz.wordpress.com | http://talkingteaching.wordpress.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >> To visit the discussion forum: >> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> > > > > -- > Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. > Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org> > Director, International Centre for Open Education, > Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. > Founder and elected Community Council Member, > Wikieducator<http://www.wikieducator.org%20> > Mobile +64 21 2436 380 > Skype: WGMNZ1 > Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/Mackiwg> | > identi.ca<http://identi.ca/waynemackintosh> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org > To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > -- M Fabiana Kubke Department of Anatomy | University of Auckland | New Zealand (+64) 9 373-7599 Ext 86002 | (+64)9 923 6002 (direct) | Mobile: (+64) 210 437 121 Skype: superfabs | http://twitter.com/Kubke | http://identi.ca/kubke | http://buildingblogsofscience.wordpress.com | http://sciblogs.co.nz/building-blogs-of-science | http://popscinz.wordpress.com | http://talkingteaching.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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