Thank you Yaroslav, I will send you a separate email now! Having the WLE team setting up a pool of jurors like that was so helpful Anton. Yes, I could find the names and email other WLM organisers, but this system took that extra work away from me - which was hugely appreciated, especially in our first year!
On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 11:45, Anton Protsiuk <anton.prots...@wikimedia.org.ua> wrote: > The international WLE team this year has tried to create a database of > jurors from different countries for local contests. We had a Google form > for these purposes (https://forms.gle/Pj61adjgYiE6Jn687) & asked local > teams whether they needed help with jury. > We haven't estimated the results yet, since the local selection process is > still ongoing, but it seems to have worked well. > > Best Regards > Anton Protsiuk > Project Manager at Wikimedia Ukraine > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If WLM Ireland is in September I can help as a juror. If it is in October >> this could be more difficult because I am also in the jury for Russia, and >> there is typically a lot of work there. >> >> Generally, asking around (may be also on Commons) typically helps. In the >> past I have been on jury for a few different countries. Somebody would just >> approach me and ask.If I can make it, I agree. >> >> Yaroslav >> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:50 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks <marti...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Rebecca! >>> >>> I have organized multiple WLM/WLE editions in Latvia. We have used >>> Montage in most of them. >>> After experiencing problems with jurors dropping out or being known at >>> the last moment, we created new Wikimedia accounts just for the jury and >>> sent the passwords to them. >>> >>> Montage allows some editing of jurors after the round has started but >>> results can be unexpected. >>> >>> Mārtiņš >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 2:13 AM Rebecca O'Neill <rebeccanin...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lodewijk, >>>> >>>> As a slight aside to this, and perhaps something that might help ease >>>> some of the worries around judging processes in other countries, would it >>>> be an idea to have a pool of international WLM Wikimedia jurors that could >>>> help judge other countries? Here in Ireland we have done this with Malta, >>>> exchanging jurors over the past few years, and for our first WLE this year >>>> we had Axel from Sweden be on our jury. You get the benefit of a fellow >>>> Wikimedian who understands the whole process, and who could bring some >>>> different expertise or perspective to a country's WLM. Having someone who >>>> is completely unfamiliar with your local built heritage means they can >>>> assess the images with a different take than someone who knows them very >>>> well. >>>> >>>> After 6 years, we have found it harder to recruit a jury from our pool >>>> of active Wikimedians and relevant expert judges from the arts and >>>> architecture sectors in Ireland. I know I would really appreciate it if we >>>> could "borrow" a juror from another Wikimedia group (in the past we have >>>> had some UK help with this too with jurors). We have suffered from jurors >>>> dropping out of the process at the last minute or after judging has begun >>>> (which results in having to restart rounds in Montage), generally it has >>>> been those who are not Wikimedians who perhaps did not fully understand the >>>> commitment when they agreed. Not only is it frustrating, it's very >>>> stressful. It may be less of an issue this year, given that the deadline >>>> for submitting to the international jury won't be at the end of October. >>>> >>>> Hope that helps clarify some of the issues some of the smaller >>>> countries can face over the years of WLM! >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rebecca >>>> >>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 23:57, effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Alexander, >>>>> >>>>> As for the status of Montage requests: I suggest that you start a >>>>> separate thread on that, and would like to leave this to the maintainers >>>>> to >>>>> respond to. >>>>> >>>>> As for publishing the settings: I was imagining some kind of log-style >>>>> publication, not a near write-up. This won't be pretty, but it will allow >>>>> people to figure out how it worked out in practice. If we follow a logical >>>>> naming convention, people should be able to puzzle it together. Ideally, >>>>> the national organizers also publish their process on the website, but >>>>> this >>>>> log would be a way to verify that. But I accept your note that we may need >>>>> to add a context explaining that more process may happen before/after this >>>>> tool is used. >>>>> >>>>> Lodewijk >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:17 PM Alexander Tsirlin <altsir...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Lodewijk, >>>>>> >>>>>> We also intend to publish by default the settings of the montage jury >>>>>> tool, and the number of photos in each round that the national >>>>>> competitions >>>>>> have used. We're debating whether there should be an opt-out for this >>>>>> year. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is unrealistic, because jury process may involve several >>>>>> campaigns that are later merged together (in Russia, we do it all the >>>>>> time >>>>>> in order to meet your submission deadline). Moreover, some of the photos >>>>>> can be accepted for the next round within Montage but excluded later on >>>>>> if >>>>>> we find that they do not depict cultural heritage. The end result is that >>>>>> any number you take from Montage will not match the number of photos that >>>>>> we publish (e.g., as a short-list). This will only lead to confusion and >>>>>> won't be of any use for anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since you mentioned Montage, let me also ask when two important pull >>>>>> requests, which were done by one of our team members, are going to be >>>>>> merged into the code: >>>>>> https://github.com/hatnote/montage/pull/169 >>>>>> https://github.com/hatnote/montage/pull/175 >>>>>> These are really, really important fixes. Without them I would have a >>>>>> problem creating new Montage campaigns in October. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Alexander >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/2/2020 11:49 PM, effe iets anders wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> over the past years, we have had various requests to encourage >>>>>> national organizers to be transparent in their judging processes and who >>>>>> sits on their jury. Most of the national organizers are currently >>>>>> transparent about this already. In the past weeks/month, more >>>>>> conversation >>>>>> around this has continued with some concerns (valid or not) on certain >>>>>> jury >>>>>> processes. >>>>>> >>>>>> In this light, the international team intends to institute a new >>>>>> expectation for national organizers, namely to publish the members of >>>>>> their >>>>>> jury (be it their username or real life name) at some point. We have not >>>>>> figured out the practical details yet, but I can imagine that while we >>>>>> encourage publication on the website, we would ask national organizers to >>>>>> add a list of jury members to their submission to the international jury >>>>>> - >>>>>> which we then will publish as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> We also intend to publish by default the settings of the montage jury >>>>>> tool, and the number of photos in each round that the national >>>>>> competitions >>>>>> have used. We're debating whether there should be an opt-out for this >>>>>> year. >>>>>> >>>>>> We will of course apply at least the same level of transparency to >>>>>> the international jury. >>>>>> >>>>>> Before we make this decision, I would like to ask for feedback on >>>>>> this, and whether there are edge cases we should consider where >>>>>> such transparency would be harmful. I'll take 1 week to gather some >>>>>> feedback on this, and then we'll make a final decision. 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