All great suggestions. In the past the WLM international team has also maintained a database of jurors to be backup. We had very little requests in recent years though, probably because so many people know organizers form other countries. If you're stuck, I would suggest to either ask someone you already know, or to ask this list. Most likely you have a response within 48h. But don't wait until the last minute, if you can avoid it. Jurors typically like a week to get things done (if the country isn't huge).
Lodewijk On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 3:48 AM Rebecca O'Neill <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Yaroslav, I will send you a separate email now! > > Having the WLE team setting up a pool of jurors like that was so helpful > Anton. Yes, I could find the names and email other WLM organisers, but this > system took that extra work away from me - which was hugely appreciated, > especially in our first year! > > On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 11:45, Anton Protsiuk < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> The international WLE team this year has tried to create a database of >> jurors from different countries for local contests. We had a Google form >> for these purposes (https://forms.gle/Pj61adjgYiE6Jn687) & asked local >> teams whether they needed help with jury. >> We haven't estimated the results yet, since the local selection process >> is still ongoing, but it seems to have worked well. >> >> Best Regards >> Anton Protsiuk >> Project Manager at Wikimedia Ukraine >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> If WLM Ireland is in September I can help as a juror. If it is in >>> October this could be more difficult because I am also in the jury for >>> Russia, and there is typically a lot of work there. >>> >>> Generally, asking around (may be also on Commons) typically helps. In >>> the past I have been on jury for a few different countries. Somebody would >>> just approach me and ask.If I can make it, I agree. >>> >>> Yaroslav >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:50 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Rebecca! >>>> >>>> I have organized multiple WLM/WLE editions in Latvia. We have used >>>> Montage in most of them. >>>> After experiencing problems with jurors dropping out or being known at >>>> the last moment, we created new Wikimedia accounts just for the jury and >>>> sent the passwords to them. >>>> >>>> Montage allows some editing of jurors after the round has started but >>>> results can be unexpected. >>>> >>>> Mārtiņš >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 2:13 AM Rebecca O'Neill <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Lodewijk, >>>>> >>>>> As a slight aside to this, and perhaps something that might help ease >>>>> some of the worries around judging processes in other countries, would it >>>>> be an idea to have a pool of international WLM Wikimedia jurors that could >>>>> help judge other countries? Here in Ireland we have done this with Malta, >>>>> exchanging jurors over the past few years, and for our first WLE this year >>>>> we had Axel from Sweden be on our jury. You get the benefit of a fellow >>>>> Wikimedian who understands the whole process, and who could bring some >>>>> different expertise or perspective to a country's WLM. Having someone who >>>>> is completely unfamiliar with your local built heritage means they can >>>>> assess the images with a different take than someone who knows them very >>>>> well. >>>>> >>>>> After 6 years, we have found it harder to recruit a jury from our pool >>>>> of active Wikimedians and relevant expert judges from the arts and >>>>> architecture sectors in Ireland. I know I would really appreciate it if we >>>>> could "borrow" a juror from another Wikimedia group (in the past we have >>>>> had some UK help with this too with jurors). We have suffered from jurors >>>>> dropping out of the process at the last minute or after judging has begun >>>>> (which results in having to restart rounds in Montage), generally it has >>>>> been those who are not Wikimedians who perhaps did not fully understand >>>>> the >>>>> commitment when they agreed. Not only is it frustrating, it's very >>>>> stressful. It may be less of an issue this year, given that the deadline >>>>> for submitting to the international jury won't be at the end of October. >>>>> >>>>> Hope that helps clarify some of the issues some of the smaller >>>>> countries can face over the years of WLM! >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Rebecca >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 23:57, effe iets anders < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Alexander, >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the status of Montage requests: I suggest that you start a >>>>>> separate thread on that, and would like to leave this to the maintainers >>>>>> to >>>>>> respond to. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for publishing the settings: I was imagining some kind of >>>>>> log-style publication, not a near write-up. This won't be pretty, but it >>>>>> will allow people to figure out how it worked out in practice. If we >>>>>> follow >>>>>> a logical naming convention, people should be able to puzzle it together. >>>>>> Ideally, the national organizers also publish their process on the >>>>>> website, >>>>>> but this log would be a way to verify that. But I accept your note that >>>>>> we >>>>>> may need to add a context explaining that more process may happen >>>>>> before/after this tool is used. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:17 PM Alexander Tsirlin <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Lodewijk, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We also intend to publish by default the settings of the montage >>>>>>> jury tool, and the number of photos in each round that the national >>>>>>> competitions have used. We're debating whether there should be an >>>>>>> opt-out >>>>>>> for this year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is unrealistic, because jury process may involve several >>>>>>> campaigns that are later merged together (in Russia, we do it all the >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> in order to meet your submission deadline). Moreover, some of the photos >>>>>>> can be accepted for the next round within Montage but excluded later on >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> we find that they do not depict cultural heritage. The end result is >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> any number you take from Montage will not match the number of photos >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> we publish (e.g., as a short-list). This will only lead to confusion and >>>>>>> won't be of any use for anyone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since you mentioned Montage, let me also ask when two important pull >>>>>>> requests, which were done by one of our team members, are going to be >>>>>>> merged into the code: >>>>>>> https://github.com/hatnote/montage/pull/169 >>>>>>> https://github.com/hatnote/montage/pull/175 >>>>>>> These are really, really important fixes. Without them I would have >>>>>>> a problem creating new Montage campaigns in October. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> Alexander >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/2/2020 11:49 PM, effe iets anders wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> over the past years, we have had various requests to encourage >>>>>>> national organizers to be transparent in their judging processes and who >>>>>>> sits on their jury. Most of the national organizers are currently >>>>>>> transparent about this already. In the past weeks/month, more >>>>>>> conversation >>>>>>> around this has continued with some concerns (valid or not) on certain >>>>>>> jury >>>>>>> processes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In this light, the international team intends to institute a new >>>>>>> expectation for national organizers, namely to publish the members of >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> jury (be it their username or real life name) at some point. We have not >>>>>>> figured out the practical details yet, but I can imagine that while we >>>>>>> encourage publication on the website, we would ask national organizers >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> add a list of jury members to their submission to the international >>>>>>> jury - >>>>>>> which we then will publish as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We also intend to publish by default the settings of the montage >>>>>>> jury tool, and the number of photos in each round that the national >>>>>>> competitions have used. We're debating whether there should be an >>>>>>> opt-out >>>>>>> for this year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We will of course apply at least the same level of transparency to >>>>>>> the international jury. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before we make this decision, I would like to ask for feedback on >>>>>>> this, and whether there are edge cases we should consider where >>>>>>> such transparency would be harmful. I'll take 1 week to gather some >>>>>>> feedback on this, and then we'll make a final decision. 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