Thanks John, Thanks for your feedback, that is a good suggestion. working on New Page Patrol.
I have been doing alot of work on this myself and have saved a bunch of bands etc, been contacting people on twitter and it seems that there has been a good feedback. Non Profit website sounds great, but I have no funds for this, Ideally we would find a way to solve this problem. The issue here that got me started was trying to promote wikipedia in kosovo and albania. Did you know that people started a new group to support wikipedia in albania, similar to flossk? http://openlabs.cc/ The problem with new articles from these places, and like india is that they have a very high deletion rate, and we need a way to save them. I am willing to put work into the articles on bands, artists, movies, atheletes etc , but also websites to save them. We just need to make a clear distinction between not-notable and what is illegal. mike On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:16 AM, John Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > You are going to find it difficult to find people who want to give > their time to your project, as the cost benefit ratio is very low. If > people had more time, they would be spending it rescuing the articles > before deletion (on a non-profit wesbsite), rather than preparing them > for rescuing after deletion (on a for-profit website). > > By reposting the content somewhere else, you are taking responsibility > for it. And by hosting it, Wikia is also taking responsibility for > it. > > And that responsibility requires you to work with the existing system, > warts and all. Even good changes to the system will take a long time > to become standard practise. > > Before trying to change New Page Patrol, you should try doing New Page > Patrol for a few days. > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mike Dupont > <jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > John, and others. > > > > I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for > > deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a > > fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and > > now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a > problem > > in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an > > articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I > > have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets > > sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is > not > > notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable > artilces. > > My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to > be > > hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting > > through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are > > thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted > > article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many > > many times. > > Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am > > willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well. > > Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to > > bring up this up in response to your mail. > > > > Please see > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia > > and > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F > > > > thanks > > mike > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> I think we need to ensure that BLP deletions are tagged appropriately. > >> > >> and this wikia needs to err on the side of caution in order to avoid > >> causing subjects further grief in their pursuit to remove problematic > >> content from Wikipedia. i.e. if someone jumps through all the hoops > >> to *help* us remove problematic content from Wikipedia, they are not > >> going to be happy to learn that the same content has appeared on Wikia > >> - its confusing, and they will blame Wikipedia, and IMO they are right > >> to do so as this Wikia is run by people in the Wikimedia community, > >> and due to the overlap in the WMF board and Wikia board, now and > >> historically. > >> > >> e.g. this AFD mentioned "WP:BLP1E" and was categorised into "AfD > >> debates (Biographical)" > >> > >> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Kinyua > >> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Kinyua > >> > >> Until we are confident that BLP problems are not being imported into > >> the wikia, the content shouldnt be indexed. I assume __NOINDEX__ > >> works on Wikia? > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Newyorkbrad <newyorkb...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned > >> > that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity > >> > given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they > >> > contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying, > >> > defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the > >> > deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing > >> > or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it > >> > will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an > >> > attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do > >> > you plan to address it? > >> > > >> > Newyorkbrad > >> > > >> > On 6/10/12, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> Hi, > >> >> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 > >> minutes > >> >> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable > >> and > >> >> hoaxes, not others). > >> >> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script > are > >> all > >> >> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam > >> codebases. > >> >> hope you enjoy it, > >> >> thanks, > >> >> mike > >> >> -- > >> >> James Michael DuPont > >> >> Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org > >> >> Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org > >> >> Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> John Vandenberg > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > James Michael DuPont > > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org > > Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org > > Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > -- > John Vandenberg > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org <http://flossk.org>Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l