Marc, Wanting to "keep the newbies away" is hardly a common reason for people's opposition to Flow. Someone might've said such a thing, but to paint that as the reason for opposition for even a significant minority is totally inaccurate.
You can, of course, say that all the other reasons given are irrational, though I wouldn't agree. But dismissing them by setting up a (rather ridiculous) straw man is not helpful. On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Marc A. Pelletier <m...@uberbox.org> wrote: > On 09/06/2014 12:34 PM, Isarra Yos wrote: > > if the designers do not even understand the basic principles behind a > > wiki, how can what is developed possibly suit our needs? > > You're starting from the presumption that, for some unexplained reason, > collaborative discussion benefits from being a wiki (as opposed to, you > know, the actual content). > > Very many people, myself included, believe that a wiki page is an > *atrocious* medium for discussion. It obfuscates who is talking to whom > under layers of markup, can make discussion flow (see what I did here?) > impossible to divine unless you are an old hand, and is otherwise > nearly-impossible for most newbies to partake in. > > Hell, I've been around for over ten years and on large volume > discussions (you know, the ones we *want* lots of participation in), > commenting is a pain at best and I /still/ end up having to occasionally > have to peruse diffs just to figure out who said what in which order. > > I've yet to find a rational motivation for expressing desire for that > horrid mess other than "it keeps the newbies away". And yes, that > rationale *has* been offered. More than once. In so many words. > > Sadly, there *are* people who get offended that the vast unwashed masses > could start contributing to *their* project without having gone through > a painful, demanding rite of passage. Truth is, most people of the > world don't have the time for that, or if they do, (perfectly > reasonably) believe that you shouldn't have to pay to volunteer to help. > > -- Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>