Hi Andrea,
thanks for the update. We were in the same situation last year,
including all the negative side effects mentioned already.
The worst part was to explain our long-standing and important partner
the Federal Monuments Office that we can't have the banner time at
cruical dates in September (especially the days leading up to our events
around the national monuments day in Austria), at a time when all the
information material with dates etc. was already printed and distributed.
Like you, we decided to come to terms with the situation without causing
drama or trouble, but we communicated very clearly and on various
channels that we wish for or rather strongly recommend a better planning
this year, i.e. an information for the affected countries months and not
only weeks or days before the event, so that they they can come up with
adequate strategies and plan accordingly. It sounds that - again - this
was not the case this year.
So, yes indeed - sad news - I really think this could have been avoided
to a certain extend.
Claudia
Am 19.08.2015 um 11:18 schrieb Andrea Zanni:
[sorry for cross-posting]
Hello everyone.
Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk
these kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to
improve collaboration, I hope.
Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached
an agreement in which
* 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner
* 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner
* 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM
campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a
fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.) *
*
We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3
days of September, as they are very important days in terms of number
of photo uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there.
I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team
have been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time,
there *is* a "banner conflict", and we will both suffer from this.
Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR
decided to leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final
days.
This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in
Italy will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-).
This is a pity because:
* FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush
and cannot really change their plans
* WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has
done for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the
FDC appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there
was the same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part
there was no lack of communication.
I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that
counts.
This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a
fight (or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for
WLM (we asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in
our opinion the most important).
What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds
Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and
metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will
not be easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically.
Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization
and management in Italy.
Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the
WMF is committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it
seems it's the most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and
run it in October. I don't see other solutions.
I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation.
Cheers
Andrea Zanni
Wikimedia Italia
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood
<peter.southw...@telkomsa.net <mailto:peter.southw...@telkomsa.net>>
wrote:
Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these
things? Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned
properly and not crippled at the last minute?
Peter
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> Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?
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> The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own
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Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same debates
every year.
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comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I
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