Just as this discussion shifts, so does Wikidata quality. Both, hopefully, in a more constructive direction, which was Lydia's original point.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree getting bogged down on one item of data isnt helpful but the data > does need to show its disputed and the data item on Israel > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q801> should at least have Tel Aviv listed > as its mentonym > > > within the database because the data base > > is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This will > > always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is > > presented it can never be the absolute truth > > The Jerusalem/Israel example where the data doesnt indicate its disputed > means that it will propagated as an absolute truth... > > > Then again this is shifting away from the original concern over quality > that the ability to verify the information isnt clear combined with the > CC0 license the already established practice on other sources. Wikidata for > falsehoods being easily manipulated its going to have a impact. > > On 10 December 2015 at 16:44, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Amen to that! This discussion about Jerusalem reminds me of the > discussion > > we had about the nationality of Anne Frank. For those interested, there > > have been some heated debates about whether Mobile should use the text in > > Wikidata "label descriptions" or rather some basic presentation of the > P31 > > property. Most descriptions are still blank anyway. Personally I think > > texts such as "capital of Israel" or "holocaust victim" are both better > > than blank, but many disagree with me. > > > > Both of these represent associated items that have a lot of eyes on them, > > but what about our more obscure items? Lots of these may be improved by > the > > people who originally created a Wikipedia page for them. As a Wikipedia > > editor who has created over 2000 Wikipedia pages, I feel somewhat > dismayed > > at the idea that I need to walk through this long list and add statements > > to their Wikidata items as the responsible party who introduced them to > the > > Wikiverse in the first place. But if I had a gadget that would tell me > > which of my created Wikipedia articles had 0-3 statements, I would > probably > > update those. > > > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Lydia Pintscher < > > lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Criag is right this cant be fixed within the database because the > data > > > base > > > > is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This > > will > > > > always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is > > > > presented it can never be the absolute truth unless its measurable > > > through > > > > some mathematical scientific process that can replicated by everyone, > > > > translated into any language. > > > > > > > > Wikipedia's answer is to present all considerations in an equal manor > > and > > > > not interpret the facts.... > > > > > > > > Wikidata defines what is fact, what is truth, what is right thats a > big > > > > task and is something the community has never tackled before... > should > > we > > > > even try, has the damage already been done or should we narrow the > > range > > > of > > > > recorded data, could we flag alternatives, could we give a measure of > > > > acceptance for each fact. are there alternative means.... > > > > > > That is actually not correct. We have built Wikidata from the very > > > beginning with some core believes. One of them is that Wikidata isn't > > > supposed to have the one truth but instead is able to represent > > > various different points of view and link to sources claiming these. > > > Look for example at the country statements for Jerusalem: > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1218 > > > Now I am the first to say that this will not be able to capture the > > > full complexity of the world around us. But that's not what it is > > > meant to do. However please be aware that we have built more than just > > > a dumb database with Wikidata and have gone to great length to make it > > > possible to capture knowledge diversity. > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > Lydia > > > > > > -- > > > Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher > > > Product Manager for Wikidata > > > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > > > Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 > > > 10963 Berlin > > > www.wikimedia.de > > > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. 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