Just as this discussion shifts, so does Wikidata quality. Both, hopefully,
in a more constructive direction, which was Lydia's original point.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree getting bogged down on one item of data isnt helpful but the data
> does need to show its disputed and the data item on Israel
> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q801> should at least have Tel Aviv listed
> as its mentonym
>
>
> within the database because the data base
> > is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This will
> > always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is
> > presented it can never be the absolute truth
>
> The Jerusalem/Israel example where the data doesnt indicate its disputed
> means that it will propagated as an absolute truth...
>
>
> Then again this is shifting away from the original concern over quality
> that the ability to verify the information  isnt clear combined with the
> CC0 license the already established practice on other sources. Wikidata for
> falsehoods being easily manipulated its going to have a impact.
>
> On 10 December 2015 at 16:44, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Amen to that! This discussion about Jerusalem reminds me of the
> discussion
> > we had about the nationality of Anne Frank. For those interested, there
> > have been some heated debates about whether Mobile should use the text in
> > Wikidata "label descriptions" or rather some basic presentation of the
> P31
> > property. Most descriptions are still blank anyway. Personally I think
> > texts such as "capital of Israel" or "holocaust victim" are both better
> > than blank, but many disagree with me.
> >
> > Both of these represent associated items that have a lot of eyes on them,
> > but what about our more obscure items? Lots of these may be improved by
> the
> > people who originally created a Wikipedia page for them. As a Wikipedia
> > editor who has created over 2000 Wikipedia pages, I feel somewhat
> dismayed
> > at the idea that I need to walk through this long list and add statements
> > to their Wikidata items as the responsible party who introduced them to
> the
> > Wikiverse in the first place. But if I had a gadget that would tell me
> > which of my created Wikipedia articles had 0-3 statements, I would
> probably
> > update those.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Lydia Pintscher <
> > lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Criag is right this cant be fixed within the database because the
> data
> > > base
> > > > is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This
> > will
> > > > always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is
> > > > presented it can never be the absolute truth unless its measurable
> > > through
> > > > some mathematical scientific process that can replicated by everyone,
> > > > translated into any language.
> > > >
> > > > Wikipedia's answer is to present all considerations in an equal manor
> > and
> > > > not interpret the facts....
> > > >
> > > > Wikidata defines what is fact, what is truth, what is right thats a
> big
> > > > task and is something the community has never tackled before...
> should
> > we
> > > > even try, has the damage already been done or should we narrow the
> > range
> > > of
> > > > recorded data, could we flag alternatives, could we give a measure of
> > > > acceptance for each fact. are there alternative means....
> > >
> > > That is actually not correct. We have built Wikidata from the very
> > > beginning with some core believes. One of them is that Wikidata isn't
> > > supposed to have the one truth but instead is able to represent
> > > various different points of view and link to sources claiming these.
> > > Look for example at the country statements for Jerusalem:
> > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1218
> > > Now I am the first to say that this will not be able to capture the
> > > full complexity of the world around us. But that's not what it is
> > > meant to do. However please be aware that we have built more than just
> > > a dumb database with Wikidata and have gone to great length to make it
> > > possible to capture knowledge diversity.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Lydia
> > >
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