On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As I said in previous discussion, what WMF really lacks is a precise > policy/project *in favor* of Open Access: we are not doing anything at > higher level, and very promising projects are frozen or waiting for > volunteer good will. Just want to point out that the WMF has an Open Access policy <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Open_access_policy>. This policy does not immediately impact the current discussion since it's focused on where/how research supported by the Foundation should be published, but it's a strong step in the right direction. > I personally think that we are making a big mistake > thinking that the OA movement can do well without us. It's not. > You are not alone. We live in an ecosystem and our long term success depends on the success of others in this ecosystem, such as the OA movement. Leila -- Leila Zia Research Scientist Wikimedia Foundation > > Aubrey > > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:16 AM, David Goodman <dgge...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > We have the purpose of providing free access to information, information > > from any publicly accessible source, paid or free. Before we had the > > Wikipedia Library, sources of information from many extremely expensive > > paid sources were not readily available to our editors except for those > > having a connection to a major university library. Now that we do have > it, > > at least some of this is accessible to at least some active editors, who > > can incorporate the information from them into our articles, and thus > make > > it freely accessible to the world. That's enough justification. > > > > If all we did was re-package information that was already freely > available, > > our role would be very limited. The existence of restrictions on access > > to limitation is of course very unfortunate. Making a change in this > system > > is on of the additional purposes of Wikipedia. We do this in multiple > ways. > > Among them is providing an example of open publishing; among them is > > advocacy for the lessening of copyright and other restrictions, and also > > writing free material based on unfree. The principle of what we do is, > > what will be best for the encyclopedia. > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 12:25 AM, Keegan Peterzell < > keegan.w...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Shani, > > > > > > This blog post by Jake and the Library team might suffice. It's from > last > > > year and directly addresses this issue: > > > > > > http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/09/16/open-access-in-a-closed-world/ > > > > > > ~ Keegan > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan > > > On Feb 14, 2016 10:09 PM, "Shani" <shani.e...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Would love to hear what the Wikipedia Library Project team has to say > > on > > > > the issue. > > > > > > > > Pinging Jake Orlowitz & Alex Stinson. > > > > > > > > Shani. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:46 AM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > As the panel moderator, I felt there was a rather strong consensus > > > (from > > > > > the various communication channels -- wiki pages, blog & Facebook > > posts > > > > and > > > > > discussions, and the panel) that went a bit beyond what Robert said > > > > (which > > > > > is certainly an important piece. > > > > > > > > > > A number of people also felt that, while the Elsevier deal may have > > > been > > > > a > > > > > good one, there may also have been better ways to communicate it -- > > and > > > > > specifically, ways to place restrictions on the kind of language > > > > (entities > > > > > like) Elsevier could use around the Wikimedia trademarks. I believe > > > this > > > > > was all absorbed by Wikipedia Library staff, and I have no doubt > that > > > > > future announcements will be better suited to Wikimedia values. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Lodewijk that strong consensus would be needed to > > overturn > > > > an > > > > > existing contract. Please note also that at least six Wikimedia > > > > volunteers > > > > > would be impacted if Wikimedia were to renege on its contract: > those > > > who > > > > > have gained access to Elsevier Science Direct through the program, > > and > > > > are > > > > > presumably doing good Wikipedia work as a result. Have you checked > in > > > > with > > > > > them, or looked at their work, Milos? > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Elsevier_ScienceDirect > > > > > > > > > > -Pete > > > > > [[User:Peteforsyth]] > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Robert Fernandez < > > > > wikigamal...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any > relation > > > with > > > > > > them." > > > > > > > > > > > > This was debated extensively last September. The opinion of > many, > > > > > > including myself, was that the WMF's primary commitment should be > > to > > > > the > > > > > > encyclopedia and providing editors and readers the resources to > > > improve > > > > > the > > > > > > encyclopedia, not making a moral stand against Elsevier by > > > withdrawing > > > > > > those resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Gerard Meijssen > > > > > > > <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone can use Sci-Hub. Officially you cannot, legally you > > should > > > > > not. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > WMF makes it possible for those who want to use Elsevier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem; anyone can use Sci-Hub. Move on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gerard, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are again ignoring the point intentionally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any > relation > > > > with > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > Milos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > David Goodman > > > > DGG at the enWP > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
