On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote:
> Hi Ellie, > > with donations, i was referring to the item on the linked financial report. > Does it indeed include sponsorships? > I've corrected-- it should just be sponsorships. Ellie > > Lodewijk > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Ellie Young <eyo...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks, it is a step in the right direction indeed. Although a bit more > > > breakdown would be helpful, > > > > > > I am working on that.... > > > > > > > I'm guessing this also highly fluctuates year > > > by year. > > > > > > > > > > > Some observations: > > > > > > A huge amount of money goes into flying WMF around the world (321k > resp. > > > 383k), which doesn't even take into account (I'm assuming) all the > hours > > > invested into it. > > > > > > > The expenses related to staff time to attend and other staff support > within > > the Foundation is > > not accounted for here. (We have included my time, and contract staff > > support that we pay to > > assist the local team.) > > > > > > > I'm assuming 'donations' includes sponsorships. That amount is less > than > > I > > > would have expected/hoped. > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by 'donations'. Donors to WMF do support > Wikimania > > since we > > heavily subsidize the event (registration fees are VERY low and don't > cover > > the costs... that has > > been a policy to keep it very affordable. Sponsorships are from > > corporate sponsors > > like ask.com, google, wikihow, etc. These relationships are managed by > > me > > The local > > host team also is involved in trying to get sponsorships, which is often > > very difficult. I'd > > welcome more suggestions and help in finding more sponsors. > > > > > > > Registration income is low, as expected (the > > > burden would just be moved to a different part of our movement: the > > > community) > > > > > > 'wikimania direct' is quite expensive, to be honest, and much more > than I > > > would have expected. However, it does include catering, which is always > > an > > > expensive chunk (5days * 1000 people will even at a quite low 30 dollar > > per > > > day easily give 150k, not even counting the parties etc). > > > > > > > Catering is usually our highest direct cost. In London Wikimania '14, it > > was the rental of > > the Barbican Centre venue. > > > > > > > > > > Many of these costs would still exist if you split the event up in > > multiple > > > events spread out. WMF would still want to fly everywhere (board has to > > > meet anyway, WMF staff wants to engage anyway, committees have to meet > > > somewhere), catering won't be much cheaper if spread over multiple > > events, > > > and don't underestimate the manpower it would take to organise all > those > > > events - relatively it may be even more. > > > > > > > I do think we could consider some different models for how we produce > > conferences > > that would be more reasonable cost-wise. And yes, there might be > > additional expense > > for staffing, but this could be offset depending on the format, location > > and size > > of the conference. > > > > > > > > So looking at these figures, I can agree that it should be possible to > do > > > it for less, I'm less certain though whether the proposed splitting up > > > would significantly reduce the total costs for everything that is > > included > > > here. > > > > > > > Maybe we should do the "experiment" as suggested and see! > > > > > > > > > > Lodewijk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Sam Klein <sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > That's most helpful, thank you both. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Pharos < > pharosofalexand...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ellie and Chris, this historical experience should be very > > > > helpful > > > > > for future discussions! > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > Pharos > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Chris Schilling < > > > > cschill...@wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ellie has put together a summarized budget including revenue and > > > > expenses > > > > > > from Wikimania 2014 in London[1] and Wikimania 2015[2], which > I've > > > gone > > > > > > ahead and posted to the summary pages of these conferences on > meta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014> > > > > > > [2] <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Itzik writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want to talk about the cost of Wikimania it will be > great > > > if > > > > > the > > > > > > > WMF and the local team will share the costs. > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014/Budget > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015/Budget > > > > > > > > Maybe I missed something, but it's strange that such > discussion > > > > takes > > > > > > > place without a real budget breakdown. > > > > > > > > To summarize 2 huge event to "1$ million USD" does not make > > > sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed 1million%. It would be important to see a rough cost > > > > > breakdown, & > > > > > > > compare that to the best-budgeted Wikimanias. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Tomasz Ganicz < > > > polime...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2016-02-10 6:06 GMT+01:00 Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FUDCons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also it is hard to compare Wikimanias with FUDCons as it is > > > > > > > > a) much smaller (usually bo more than 200 attendees) > > > > > > > > b) divided by regions - for example in 2015 there were 3 > > FUDCons > > > > > > > > (Argentina, India, Spain) and 2 Flocks (NY and Kraków) - so > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > rather like our Iberecop or CEE meetings than the global > > > > conferences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. Similar to regional events perhaps, not Wikimania. > > Still > > > > > worth > > > > > > > comparing budgets perhaps, if available. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was wondering about the trend over time: whether > extensive > > > > > funding > > > > > > > during the RedHat days made the events less useful, in the > years > > > > after > > > > > > that > > > > > > > funding was reduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And also Fedora developers have many potential sources of > > > external > > > > > > > funding > > > > > > > > - mainly from IT companies which uses free software and want > to > > > > apply > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > their specific needs and for whom they quite often work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. But attendees to GLAM or education conferences also tend > > to > > > > have > > > > > > > many potential sources of funding - mainly from archives or > > > > educational > > > > > > or > > > > > > > technical companies who curate knowledge or develop education > > > tools. > > > > > And > > > > > > we > > > > > > > have IT industry partners who are similarly willing to support > > > > > > Wikimanias. > > > > > > > Not entirely dissimilar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But anyway, Fedora offers scholarships for attendees, see: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, wiki conferences should as well - that part of conference > > > > funding > > > > > is > > > > > > > important. Even early Wikimanias with almost no WMF support > had > > > > > > > significant scholarship pools. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Chris "Jethro" Schilling > > > > > > I JethroBT (WMF) < > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)> > > > > > > Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > > <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 > > > 4266 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ellie Young > > Events Manager > > Wikimedia Foundation > > eyo...@wikimedia.org > > c. 510 701 8649 > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Ellie Young Events Manager Wikimedia Foundation eyo...@wikimedia.org c. 510 701 8649 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
