Hi James, Thanks for the explanation. I am less on edge now that I see the specificity of the use cases that are outlined in that spreadsheet. (I have rather strong memories of Superprotect and am keen to deter anything resembling a repeat.) Is it possible to have the records moved from the spreadsheet to Meta? I thought I once saw a record of these actions on Meta, but can't remember exactly where.
Thanks, Pine On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:46 PM, James Alexander <jalexan...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi Pine, > > I know we’ve touched on this in past discussions related to this list. > Staff frequently need on wiki user rights to do their work, which can range > all over the map from Meta admin/translate admin to central notice admin or > Checkuser/Oversight and everything in between. Many of these rights are > sensitive in their nature (for example I could make an argument that > central notice admin and its raw crosswiki javascript capabilities are on > par with Checkuser in some cases), and we work to ensure that users only > have rights they need for the time they need it. > > Given that these tools are being used on the public wikis, it is natural > (and expected) that the community keeps an eye out and alerts us to issues, > but in the end the staff needs and requirements for those rights are > different and separate from the community ones and they have to be overseen > by staff. As part of that we ensure they go through a multistep (and > multi-person) process involving reaching out to SuSa with a use case, > seeking written approval from their manager, and then getting approval from > a SuSa Manager (and the Director for especially sensitive user rights). > Given the natural oversight and review we have before hiring staff, along > with the ongoing oversight from both their managers and SuSa, we believe > this strikes the right balance. > > James > > *James Alexander* > Manager, Trust & Safety > Wikimedia Foundation > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:48 PM Adrian Raddatz <ajradd...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Not for any wiki; only Meta had wmf staff with admin rights, and only for > > use within their specific work-related areas. > > > > I am totally unconcerned with WMF staff having the necessary permissions > to > > do their job. They can easily be held accountable as paid employees. > > > > On Feb 14, 2017 11:53 AM, "Fæ" <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Usecases are appearing, thanks to whomever is intervening, though in a > > > narrow column so hard to read. > > > > > > Now I can read it, I see that it is out of date. As a test sample, I > > > JethroBT (WMF) was granted m:admin rights in June, these expired by > > > August 2016 and were eventually removed by a volunteer steward in > > > October 2016. Though I JethroBT is an admin on meta right now, this > > > was via a separate use case dated "42676", which I presume is > > > November. Could the spreadsheet be properly reviewed and updated > > > please, including reformatting the date field so it's easy to > > > understand? > > > > > > Pine - yes this process of "WMF Advanced Permissions" includes admin > > > rights for any WMF website and so by-passes the community procedures. > > > > > > Fae > > > > > > On 14 February 2017 at 17:48, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I'm curious about what is meant by "advanced permissions" here. If > that > > > > refers to translation administrator permissions, I have fewer > concerns > > > > about that than I would about admin or CU/OS permissions. > > > > > > > > In general, I'm wary of WMF encroachment on Meta. Placing resources > on > > > Meta > > > > that the community will use is fine and good, but WMF taking > unilateral > > > > actions that circumvent community processes may be inappropriate. For > > > that > > > > reason, I would like to see most requests for WMF accounts to get > > > > permissions of admin or higher for community wikis go through the > same > > > > community vetting process as community members do. > > > > > > > > Pine > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 5:11 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> The WMF grants special rights to employees on a case-by-case basis, > > > >> by-passing the normal community driven process to grant admin, > > > >> developer and other rights. A few years ago the WMF officially > > > >> committed to making this process transparent, and maintains a public > > > >> Google Spreadsheet [1] so that anyone can check exactly when rights > > > >> are granted, why they are given and when they are withdrawn. > > > >> Previously these were mirrored on-wiki but this process broke due to > > > >> Google changing its proprietary spreadsheet code. > > > >> > > > >> Checking the latest version of the Google spreadsheet, the use cases > > > >> have been hidden, so non-employees no longer can read the reasons > why > > > >> special rights have been granted. Can a WMF representative please > > > >> explain why, or restore the use cases to public view? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Fae > > > >> -- > > > >> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > >> wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > , > > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
