On 02/25/2017 02:15 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
The "no conduct policy for technical spaces" argument was debunked here:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-November/085573.html

This is false. None of the three policies you cited are a code of conduct for technical spaces that applies online to everyone, including volunteers:

* https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_policy - Only binding on staff and Board.

* https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use - Not a code of conduct, does not define harassment. A legal document that encourages creating project policies like the code of conduct ("The Wikimedia community and its members may also take action when so allowed by the community or Foundation policies applicable to the specific Project edition, including but not limited to warning, investigating, blocking, or banning users who violate those policies.")

* https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Friendly_space_policy - Does not apply online, or to Wikimedia tech events that are not funded by the foundation.

Pine W also wrote:
Well, WMF will have to deal with this policy too. (:

Sort of. The proposed text currently includes "If a WMF employee or
contractor is accused of wrongdoing, or a WMF employee or contractor is
reported as being subjected to wrongdoing, the Committee will forward the
report to the employee's or contractor’s manager, and to WMF HR in
writing." It remains very unclear whether this code of conduct policy can
apply to Wikimedia Foundation employees, given comments from the Wikimedia
Foundation's Legal and Human Resources departments.

No "sort of". It unambiguously applies to all members of the community regardless of status, and Legal posted consistent with that (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct#Freedom_of_the_Code_of_Conduct_Committee)

It's darkly amusing to see you citing the English Wikipedia. When I
pointed out to you on mediawiki.org that "it would never be appropriate
for the person who began a discussion to then also close that discussion,"
you replied that "English Wikipedia policies do not apply here."

I noted that in response to a claim about all WMF wikis: "That is always the case.", so in this case citing any wiki was a sufficient counter-example to disprove that claim.

Matt Flaschen

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