On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Tim Landscheidt <t...@tim-landscheidt.de> wrote:
> Leila Zia <le...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > […] > > > On a separate note to those of you who contribute to technical spaces and > > are not happy about how some aspects have gone: > > > Matthew and a few other people have been trying /really hard/ to make > > Wikimedia's technical spaces better. You know that embarking on such a > path > > is very difficult: it requires spending many many hours of your time > (read > > life) on it, elaborating, deliberating, documenting, discussing things > with > > people from different paths of life, etc. They have been doing it for > > months now. It's my understanding that they are doing this not to > exercise > > power over others but to make our technical spaces better, to make them > > more enjoyable to contribute in. > > > For all of us who contribute in technical spaces, we should remember: We > > may not agree with every step they take, but we all owe it to them to > help > > them on this path. What they are doing is a good thing and that's > something > > that sometimes gets lost in these lengthy conversations. > > This is a circular and illogical argument. Just because > someone has good intentions or invested time and effort does > not mean that the path they chose is the right one to take. > And if someone is steering towards a cliff, encouraging peo- > ple to keep pushing the cart to honour the navigator's dedi- > cation is self-destructive. > I agree with everything you say above, and I'd like to clarify something in response to your first sentence, as reading that and re-reading the latter part of my initial post, I realize I may have signaled something that I didn't mean to: I didn't mean to say that since people have spent a lot of time on task X, we need to help them finish it. I meant to say the following: * I wanted to ask everyone involved in these discussions to have more empathy towards one another. Things sometimes don't go well when we start sending back-and-forth emails on this list, and on this thread specifically, we've already started some loaded statements. My request was to please remember that there is a human on the other side reading your message, most likely operating based on good faith: this person is, hopefully, making decisions based on logic, but he/she does have emotions, let's keep that in mind. Leila > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
