Five pillars are moot. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The moment you have a centralised policy you take away the ability to > discuss, makes decisions, and achieve consensus from the community that > create the projects. Importantly you create the opportunity for banned and > blocked editors to decide what happens in a community. > > By having a base set of simple policies in the Incubator that are > atuomatically created when a project starts up you give them the best guide > to establishing themselves well before that project goes live, ince a > project is live it has to be allowed to develop its community. > > We already have the 5 pillars which are the basis for the projects, but > meta is not a place that the content creating community spends a lot of > time. > > On 3 August 2017 at 19:07, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Having centralized core policies would lessen the maintenance and > process, > > not increase them. > > > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Strainu <strain...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The core policies should be the ones pushed by board resolution, and > > > those should be the absolute minimum required to keep the projects > > > safe from a legal POV. Period. Otherwise, people with little > > > understanding of small Wikipedias will try to push stuff from en.wp. > > > Just recently someone was trying to have an RFC on meta on all the > > > different processes that en.wp has and ro.wp does not have, with > > > little consideration on whether the manpower to implement, let alone > > > maintain, these processes exists. No thank you to rule pushing without > > > local context. > > > > > > Having a community take a rule from en.wp is different, just as long > > > as some kind of discussion happens within the community about it. Even > > > if the rule is really useless or harmful and the community did not > > > realize that in the beginning, at least it can evolve differently from > > > the English one. Have a centralized repository and trying to change > > > the rules there by consensus would be much more difficult for small > > > communities. > > > > > > Strainu > > > > > > 2017-08-02 17:05 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > > > Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same core content > > > policies, > > > > but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, because a lot of the > > > > smaller lacks them, and a lot has outdated or only partial policies. > It > > > > takes a lot of time to actually make them and keep them updated. > > > > > > > > Creating and maintaining the core content policies should not be > > > something > > > > that small projects should invest a lot of time in, they should > simply > > be > > > > able to point to existing policies on Meta. The central policies > should > > > be > > > > localized if necessary. > > > > > > > > Checking Meta I find > > > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_no_original_research_policy > > > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view > > > > > > > > I can't find anything like "Verifiability". > > > > > > > > Would it be possible for Wikimedia Foundation to make some sound > > baseline > > > > policies, and with the option for local projects to refine those? > > Perhaps > > > > with assistance from editors on Wikipedia? > > > > > > > > Lets try to make the policies accurate, without "no original > research" > > > > diverging into verifiability of external sources. It should be about > > > > original research in content on Wikipedia. Likewise, at some projects > > > > neutral point of view has become "do not diverge from creators point > of > > > > view"… > > > > > > > > Would this be possible? It would be really nice if those baseline > > > policies > > > > pages could be copied to the individual projects like central user > > pages, > > > > so they would be "internal" to the projects. Thus the projects would > > have > > > > more "ownership" of them. > > > > > > > > The same thing apply to other meta projects (Wikipedia, Wikibooks, > > > > Wiktionary, etc). > > > > > > > > Jeblad > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > GN. > President Wikimedia Australia > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
