We should not sink to "alternative facts" Not even to the American public, who seem to be accustomed to them. We should provide a better example. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sam Wilson Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:38 AM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up Peter, Fair enough, I agree that the idea that Wikimedia would have been a success if it'd be made commercial is crazy. "Has it crossed my mind how much we could have made if it had ads? Sure. But it wouldn’t be the same." reads to me as just a hypothetical "if it were as it is today *and* had ads", rather than any serious suggestion that that would ever have been the case. I reckon it makes sense to the non-editor people it's aimed at. Anyway, about my grammar nickpicking? ;-) —Sam On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, at 05:06 PM, Peter Southwood wrote: > Sam, > I can't get back to the banner for some reason, so I risk misquoting it. > Please take this into account. > What I find offensive is the implication that the foundation would > even have Wikipedia if they were doing it commercially. I and a > significant number of other contributors would not have helped make it > what it is today if it had been a commercial site. To support this > opinion, there do not appear to be any commercial projects of this > type even vaguely approaching the success of Wikipedia. The banner > implies that there would be a roughly equivalent project available to > sell. This I find offensive as it denigrates the voluntary > contributions done by all the unpaid contributors. > I see this as misrepresentation and disrespect to the crowd that is > the source of the product, therefore offensive. > It is possible that I am alone in this opinion, but I suggest that a > survey of the people who actually created and maintain the content of > Wikipedia would show that I am not. > At this point, I suggest that WMF do just that, run a survey to find > out who builds the encyclopaedia, and how they feel about this. The > golden rule of crowdsourcing is don’t alienate the crowd, especially > when they are doing your work for free. The one thing we ask in return > for our work is a little recognition and respect, and to know that we > do a thing intrinsically worth doing. Again, I realise I do not > necessarily speak for everyone, but suspect that I speak for many. > Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Sam Wilson > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:26 AM > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up > > "Offensive" seems a bit over the top! Who's it offending? Seems pretty > okay to me, personally. :-) > > Anyway, the only thing I notice with it is that it starts with "We > will..." and then says "When I made..." etc. Shouldn't these pronouns > agree? > > —Sam. > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, at 04:07 PM, Peter Southwood wrote: > > The old style is excessively large and in your face. The new style > > is almost, but not quite as bad. The content remains offensive and > > misleading Cheers, Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] > > On Behalf Of Joseph Seddon > > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 5:02 PM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up > > > > Hey Wikimedia-l > > > > Apologies for the short notice. > > > > I wanted to give you a heads up on a banner test that will soon be > > going live. > > > > We've been working on a new style of banner that is specifically > > designed to have the same native look and feel as the rest of the > > site and interface. It's intended to be understated and you'll see > > is very different to our currently best performing banner: > > > > Current: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein?banner=B1718_0823_en6C > > _d sk_p1_lg_dsn_cnt&force=1&country=US&uselang=QA > > > > New Native feel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein?banner=B1718_0823_en6C_dsk_p1_lg_dsn_native&force=1&country=US&uselang=QA > > > > Any feedback is welcome. > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > Seddon > > > > *Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* *Wikimedia > > Foundation* _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
