Yaroslav, I understand the difference. I'm simply raising an objection to the claim that this would've gone over much better had it been the ArbCom and not the WMF who placed a ban.
– Molly White (GorillaWarfare) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:01 PM Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to summarize the difference between WMF and ArbCom, in view of the > majority of the en.wiki community: > > We elect ArbCom, and if they do not do what they should be doing, they do > not get re-elected in two years, which happens on a regular basis > > We do not elect WMF and in fact we have no means of influencing WMF (apart > of the three Trustees we elect every three years who are themselves > typically alienated from the community). Short of taking down the > fundraiser banner or of organizing a Wikipedia blackout. > > This is the difference, and this is why virtually everybody who had to say > smth about this episode was unhappy with the process. Without looking at > the diffs, I only remember three users who were perfectly happy with what > happened, out of hundreds who said smth. > > One unfortunate consequence of the whole episode was, whoever is right and > whoever is wrong, the general opinion about WMF in the community is > all-time low, with people generally not prepared to believe to anything > communicated to them. If WMF is not interested in getting very unpleasant > surprises, they should start working towards building the community trust. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM GorillaWarfare < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:36 AM Fæ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Any Arbcom approved sanction against Fram based on the evidence would > not > > > be controversial for anyone. > > > > > > Sorry for coming in late to this conversation; I've mostly been following > > the sicussion happening on-wiki. But I wanted to pipe up to say that I > > absolutely do not believe this is true (see also my comment here > > < > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&type=revision&diff=901559520&oldid=901559137&diffmode=source > > >). > > To repeat my comment somewhat, the English Wikipedia ArbCom has in the > past > > had to place similar bans: that is, ones against long-term contributors > > with many supporters, and ones in which the full details behind what led > to > > the ban cannot be revealed publicly. The reaction has been quite similar > to > > the one the WMF is currently experiencing—"star chamber" accusations, > > claims that we've abused our power or the process, and assumptions that > the > > ban is unwarranted unless everyone is allowed to scrutinize the private > > evidence. The ArbCom is empowered to take action based off of > > privately-submitted evidence and private discussion, but in practice it > is > > extremely poorly-received when we do, basically across-the-board. > > > > – Molly (GorillaWarfare) > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
