That is a way you can look at it, but is it realistic? (it would depend on details, which we do not have) SF is an expensive place to pay staff, and the SF point of view may be overrepresented. Spreading it around a bit may be better value for money, and could improve diversity and inclusion. The devil is in the details, and we have no details yet. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Paulo Santos Perneta Sent: 14 August 2019 16:16 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here! " To distribute many of the function now at WMF in SF to different locations in the world (whereof 50% in Global south)" - Distributing work now being paid with US wages to US staff at SF to people at the Global South paying "Global South wages" sounds a lot like moving the factories from San Francisco to Dhaka because wages are much lower there, while parading it as moving towards "diversity" and "inclusion". Paulo Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> escreveu no dia segunda, 12/08/2019 à(s) 18:31: > I want to express my appreciation for the work being done and the result. > > I am not able to get to grips with all parts of the recommendation but > as I understand there are two key messages: > > *To distribute many of the function now at WMF in SF to different > locations in the world (whereof 50% in Global south). I find this is > most appropriate, both to lessen the feeling of We-them, but also to get > more salaried people spread over the World. It is also a natural > development as out organisation mature over time > > *To really go, without any compromise for the discussion in the movement > in our communities must be held in a civil tone and in a friendly > atmosphere where respect for everyone is a key. I believe also this is > long overdue and necessary when we now are over 15 years of age. > > I love these two issues and hope it will be implemented in full. > > Anders > > > > Den 2019-08-12 kl. 17:51, skrev Nicole Ebber: > > Dear all, > > > > We would like to offer further clarification that the recommendations for > > Wikimedia 2030 [1] that were shared earlier with you are indeed drafts. > > They represent discussions around a wide array of topics that the nine > > thematic working groups, affiliates and communities had identified > > important for our movement’s future. They are the product of > conversations > > over many months with a variety of stakeholders, and the working groups > are > > eager to hear from you. The draft recommendations are neither final nor > > complete, but a continuation of an ongoing conversation happening across > > wikis, platforms, surveys, meetings, and meet-ups. As such, constructive > > feedback and solution-oriented suggestions are welcomed. The draft > > recommendations are based on contexts that deserve due review and > > reflection, and are the result of the efforts of many, rather than single > > individuals. > > > > Many of the draft recommendations underline structural changes needed for > > the growth and expansion of a movement like ours. Many are representative > > of wider societal, historical and global dynamics around us. Please take > > the time to review the draft recommendations in their entirety, pose > > questions, hear from others, and in the spirit of collegial > collaboration, > > offer suggestions that you think can address the issues at hand. This is > a > > process for all of us to shape our shared future, together; let’s keep > > engaging and challenging one another in this same spirit. > > > > Best wishes, > > Nicole > > > > [1] > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations > > > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 15:49, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> "And just to keep this on track, what is your view on how we can > >> incorporate > >> indigenous knowledge without it becoming commercialised by the current > >> licensing scheme?" > >> > >> We can't and no one can. > >> > >> Knowledge, ideas, and concepts cannot be copyrighted to begin with. Now, > >> specific expressions of those ideas certainly can be, but the underlying > >> facts and ideas cannot. If the expression of those ideas is to be on > >> Wikimedia, they must be under an open content license, allowing reuse > >> without regard to purpose. If someone would prefer to put their work > under > >> an NC license, then a free-content project is not the appropriate place > for > >> it. Many other places are happy to accept NC-licensed material. But even > >> then, reuse of the concepts and facts cannot be prohibited no matter > what > >> one does. > >> > >> Todd > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:47 AM Philip Kopetzky < > philip.kopet...@gmail.com > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Please don't generalise frustration with your conduct on this list. > >> You're > >>> the only one telling people to shut up here. > >>> > >>> And just to keep this on track, what is your view on how we can > >> incorporate > >>> indigenous knowledge without it becoming commercialised by the current > >>> licensing scheme? > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
