I want to express my appreciation for the work being done and the result.

I am not able to get to grips with all parts of the recommendation but as I understand there are two key messages:

*To distribute  many of the function now at WMF in SF to different locations in the world (whereof 50% in Global south). I find this is most appropriate, both to lessen the feeling of We-them, but also to get more salaried people spread over the World. It is also a natural development as out organisation mature over time

*To really go, without any compromise for the discussion in the movement in our communities must be held in a civil tone and in a friendly atmosphere  where respect for everyone is a key. I believe also this is long overdue and necessary when we now are over 15 years of age.

I love these two issues and hope it will be implemented in full.

 Anders



Den 2019-08-12 kl. 17:51, skrev Nicole Ebber:
Dear all,

We would like to offer further clarification that the recommendations for
Wikimedia 2030 [1] that were shared earlier with you are indeed drafts.
They represent discussions around a wide array of topics that the nine
thematic working groups, affiliates and communities had identified
important for our movement’s future. They are the product of conversations
over many months with a variety of stakeholders, and the working groups are
eager to hear from you. The draft recommendations are neither final nor
complete, but a continuation of an ongoing conversation happening across
wikis, platforms, surveys, meetings, and meet-ups. As such, constructive
feedback and solution-oriented suggestions are welcomed. The draft
recommendations are based on contexts that deserve due review and
reflection, and are the result of the efforts of many, rather than single
individuals.

Many of the draft recommendations underline structural changes needed for
the growth and expansion of a movement like ours. Many are representative
of wider societal, historical and global dynamics around us. Please take
the time to review the draft recommendations in their entirety, pose
questions, hear from others, and in the spirit of collegial collaboration,
offer suggestions that you think can address the issues at hand. This is a
process for all of us to shape our shared future, together; let’s keep
engaging and challenging one another in this same spirit.

Best wishes,
Nicole

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 15:49, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote:

"And just to keep this on track, what is your view on how we can
incorporate
indigenous knowledge without it becoming commercialised by the current
licensing scheme?"

We can't and no one can.

Knowledge, ideas, and concepts cannot be copyrighted to begin with. Now,
specific expressions of those ideas certainly can be, but the underlying
facts and ideas cannot. If the expression of those ideas is to be on
Wikimedia, they must be under an open content license, allowing reuse
without regard to purpose. If someone would prefer to put their work under
an NC license, then a free-content project is not the appropriate place for
it. Many other places are happy to accept NC-licensed material. But even
then, reuse of the concepts and facts cannot be prohibited no matter what
one does.

Todd

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:47 AM Philip Kopetzky <philip.kopet...@gmail.com
wrote:

Please don't generalise frustration with your conduct on this list.
You're
the only one telling people to shut up here.

And just to keep this on track, what is your view on how we can
incorporate
indigenous knowledge without it becoming commercialised by the current
licensing scheme?
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