Yes, let's see an actually public RfC on this. We shouldn't have to argue about what the support/oppose proportions are, we should see it right there on an on-wiki page where anyone is free to review them.
Todd On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:06 PM David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: > I concur, it sounds sensible. > > (I'll note, I'm not actually against the name change proposal - but > it's got to be presented to the community properly.) > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 20:50, Kiril Simeonovski > <kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > HI David, > > > > Yes, it stands to reason to announce on all wikis in a similar way as the > > announcements about board or steward elections. > > > > Best, > > Kiril > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 9:46 PM David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On all wikis? > > > > > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 19:19, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > I guess a central notice about an RfC would be appropriate. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:16 PM Kiril Simeonovski < > > > > kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > It seems like there is a clear consensus to open an RfC on Meta > about > > > this, > > > > > so we can safely move forward with it and close this thread. > > > Otherwise, we > > > > > will most likely keep up boggling our minds with the 20-per-cent > > > metric and > > > > > endlessly discuss how unfortunate is this for the global community > > > when the > > > > > only rational thing we can do is take action and save everyone's > time. > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any concluding remarks or comments regarding the RfC? > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Kiril > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 7:57 PM Ferdinando Traversa < > > > > > ferdi.trave...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I’m against and sincerly I don’t trust this datas (80% agrees? > Are > > > you > > > > > > kidding me? I’ve seen the meta discussion). I think a Meta CLEAR > > > VOTE as > > > > > > suggested here is the best way. Imposing a change like this is a > > > wrong > > > > > > decision. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno 6 set 2019, alle ore 05:49, Zack McCune < > > > > > zmcc...@wikimedia.org> > > > > > > ha scritto: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Summary* - We want your help with a voluntary, OPT-IN design > > > process > > > > > for > > > > > > > movement branding. Please join the in-depth discussion group, > or > > > watch > > > > > > for > > > > > > > updates on Meta-Wiki. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After 4 months of community consultation, spanning dozens of > > > > > affiliates, > > > > > > > several mailing lists, community conferences, and Meta-Wiki, I > am > > > > > pleased > > > > > > > to share a summary of feedback on the proposed 2030 movement > brand > > > > > > strategy > > > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From more than 319 comments, representing 150 individual > > > contributors > > > > > and > > > > > > > 63 affiliates, we assessed 6 major themes in feedback: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reducing confusion > > > > > > > 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Protecting reputation > > > > > > > 3. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Supporting sister projects > > > > > > > 4. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Addressing (legal, governmental) risks > > > > > > > 5. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Supporting movement growth > > > > > > > 6. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The process of change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit our feedback summary page to learn more [2]. You > will > > > see > > > > > > > examples of comments within each section, along with a rough > > > indication > > > > > > of > > > > > > > how many of the comments that we received were related to each > > > theme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The comments sometimes contradict one another, showing that > across > > > our > > > > > > wide > > > > > > > movement’s experience, different points of view are common > (and a > > > sign > > > > > of > > > > > > > health!). To visualize these tensions, we have created > “polarity > > > maps” > > > > > > > which are used to help visualize how different arguments > coexist in > > > > > > tension > > > > > > > with each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ultimately, the comments provided from you all are very > thoughtful > > > and > > > > > > > useful guidance on what is needed to make our movement’s > branding > > > > > > > successful. One can read the 6 themes above as “criteria” for > > > assessing > > > > > > > branding systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Thanks == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to thank the organizers of Iberoconf, Wikipedia > > > Education > > > > > > > Summit, and the Wikimedia Summit for inviting us to hold > > > discussions > > > > > > during > > > > > > > their sessions. I would also like to thank my colleagues Elena > > > Lappen, > > > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty, and Blanca Flores who conducted extensive > parts > > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > > consultation. To the hundreds of people, and dozens of > affiliates > > > > > > > commenting, thank you for reviewing the proposal and offering > your > > > > > > > perspectives and insights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Next steps and staying involved == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is considerable support for the brand proposal and > general > > > > > appetite > > > > > > > to improve our movement’s branding system. Further, we believe > that > > > > > > > critical feedback on the proposal offers direct guidance for > > > precisely > > > > > > what > > > > > > > branding must do to be successful for our movement. We have > shared > > > > > these > > > > > > > insights and our proposed continuance with the Board of > Trustees, > > > who > > > > > > > approved continuing these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Acting on community insights, we will be collaborating on > formal > > > brand > > > > > > > naming, visual identity, and brand system design that will use > > > > > > “Wikipedia” > > > > > > > as the central reference point. The resulting system will be > > > OPT-IN for > > > > > > > affiliates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This design process will be guided by a “brand network” – a > group > > > of > > > > > > > volunteers who would like to continue advising on brand during > this > > > > > > > consultation. Dozens of people have already volunteered, and we > > > invite > > > > > > you > > > > > > > to join the group. We will use a group on Wikimedia Space to > host > > > this > > > > > > > discussion and the group will be closed to allow candid > > > discussions and > > > > > > > room for iterations. EVERYONE IS INVITED TO JOIN [3]. If you > do not > > > > > want > > > > > > to > > > > > > > commit to the in-depth, longer term discussions that will be > > > happening > > > > > > > within the brand network group, we will still be tracking > comments > > > left > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the project’s Meta-Wiki page [4]. Furthermore, all important > ideas > > > and > > > > > > > updates originating from the brand network discussion will be > > > shared > > > > > > > publicly to mailing lists and Meta-Wiki. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The development of this proposed identity system will take > > > > > approximately > > > > > > 6 > > > > > > > months. As stated, regular updates will be shared to mailing > lists, > > > > > > > Wikimedia Space, and Meta-Wiki [4]. Please engage us where you > are > > > most > > > > > > > comfortable! Once complete, community groups will have the > power to > > > > > > decide > > > > > > > if/when they opt in to using the new system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/02/26/leading-with-wikipedia-a-brand-proposal-for-2030/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review/results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/g/brand-network and > click > > > the > > > > > gray > > > > > > > "Request" button. 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